On 02/08/2016 09:03 AM, Fausto Marzi wrote:
The OpenStack Summit is a great thing as it is now. It creates big
momentum, it's a strong motivator for the engineers (as enjoy our time
there)

I disagree with you on this. The design summits are intended to be working events, not conference parties.

> and the Companies are happy too with the business related side. I
see it also as the most successful Team building activity, Community and
Company wide.

This isn't the intent of design summits. It's not intended to be a company team building event.

> For Companies, the costs to send engineers to the Summit
or to a dedicated Design event are exactly the same.

This is absolutely not the case. Sending engineers to expensive conference hotels for a full week or more is more expensive than sending engineers to small hotels in smaller cities for shorter amounts of focused time.

> Besides, many
Companies send US based employees only to the US Summit, and EU based
only to the other side. The OpenStack Summit is probably the most
advanced and successful OpenSource event, if you take out of it the
engineering side, it won't be the same.

I don't see the OpenStack Summit as being an advanced event. It has become a vendor-driven suit-fest, IMHO.

I think, the issue here is that we need to have a better and more
productive way to work together. Probably the motivation behind a
separate design summit and also this discussion is focused to improve
that, as we see that face to face is effective. Maybe this is the
limitation we need to resolve, rather than changing an amazing event.

All I want is to be more productive. In my estimation, the Summits have become vastly less productive than they used to be. Mid-cycles are generally much more productive and much more cost-effective because they don't have the distraction of the Summit party atmosphere.

As someone who is responsible for recommending which Mirantis engineers go to which events, I strongly favor sending more engineers to more focused events at the expense of sending fewer engineers to the expensive and unfocused OpenStack Summits.

-jay

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