bash-4.1$ ffmpeg -version
ffmpeg version 0.11.1
built on Dec 14 2012 11:26:29 with gcc 4.4.6 20120305 (Red Hat 4.4.6-4)
configuration: --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libxvid --enable-libvorbis 
--enable-libgsm --enable-libfaac --enable-gpl --enable-nonfree
libavutil      51. 54.100 / 51. 54.100
libavcodec     54. 23.100 / 54. 23.100
libavformat    54.  6.100 / 54.  6.100
libavdevice    54.  0.100 / 54.  0.100
libavfilter     2. 77.100 /  2. 77.100
libswscale      2.  1.100 /  2.  1.100
libswresample   0. 15.100 /  0. 15.100
libpostproc    52.  0.100 / 52.  0.100

Done this and restarted openmeetings server. Problem still exists, 
unfortunately.

MiK


On 2012.14.12, at 11:05, Stephen Cottham wrote:

> Could you try removing ffmepg and then recompiling with the following
> options:
> 
> ./configure --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libxvid --enable-libvorbis
> --enable-libgsm --enable-libfaac --enable-gpl --enable-nonfree        
> 
> To do this:
> 
> wget http://ffmpeg.org/releases/ffmpeg-0.11.1.tar.gz
> tar -zxvf ffmpeg-0.11.1.tar.gz
> cd ffmpeg-0.11.1
> ./configure --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libxvid --enable-libvorbis
> --enable-libgsm --enable-libfaac --enable-gpl --enable-nonfree        
> make
> make install
> 
> Once its installed issue the ffmpeg -version commands again.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mikael Kurula [mailto:alcar...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 14 December 2012 08:58
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: New to OpenMeetings; looking for input before installation
> 
> Hey!
> 
> Thanks a lot for taking such interest in my problems! :D Here are the
> version numbers.
> 
> bash-4.1$ sudo yum info ffmpeg
> Loaded plugins: downloadonly, fastestmirror, refresh-packagekit,
> security Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
> * rpmforge: mirror.awanti.com
> Available Packages
> Name        : ffmpeg
> Arch        : x86_64
> Version     : 0.6.5
> Release     : 1.el6.rf
> Size        : 2.7 M
> Repo        : rpmforge
> Summary     : Utilities and libraries to record, convert and stream
> audio and video
> URL         : http://ffmpeg.org/
> License     : GPL
> Description : FFmpeg is a very fast video and audio converter. It can
> also grab from a
>            : live audio/video source.
>            : The command line interface is designed to be intuitive, in
> the sense that
>            : ffmpeg tries to figure out all the parameters, when
> possible. You have
>            : usually to give only the target bitrate you want. FFmpeg
> can also convert
>            : from any sample rate to any other, and resize video on the
> fly with a high
>            : quality polyphase filter.
>            : 
>            : Available rpmbuild rebuild options :
>            : --without : lame vorbis theora faad faac gsm xvid x264
> a52dec altivec
> 
> bash-4.1$ java -version
> java version "1.6.0_32"
> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_32-b05) Java HotSpot(TM)
> 64-Bit Server VM (build 20.7-b02, mixed mode)
> 
> bash-4.1$ ls -la /etc/alternatives/java* lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 39 Dec
> 14 10:08 /etc/alternatives/java ->
> /usr/local/lib/jvm/jdk1.6.0_32/bin/java
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 Dec 14 10:04 /etc/alternatives/javac ->
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64/bin/javac
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 49 Dec 14 10:04 /etc/alternatives/javac.1.gz ->
> /usr/share/man/man1/javac-java-1.6.0-openjdk.1.gz
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 50 Dec 14 10:04 /etc/alternatives/javadoc ->
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64/bin/javadoc
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 51 Dec 14 10:04 /etc/alternatives/javadoc.1.gz ->
> /usr/share/man/man1/javadoc-java-1.6.0-openjdk.1.gz
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 Dec 14 10:04 /etc/alternatives/javah ->
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64/bin/javah
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 49 Dec 14 10:04 /etc/alternatives/javah.1.gz ->
> /usr/share/man/man1/javah-java-1.6.0-openjdk.1.gz
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 48 Dec 14 10:04 /etc/alternatives/javap ->
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64/bin/javap
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 49 Dec 14 10:04 /etc/alternatives/javap.1.gz ->
> /usr/share/man/man1/javap-java-1.6.0-openjdk.1.gz
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 Dec 14 10:04 /etc/alternatives/java_sdk ->
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 Dec 12 22:13 /etc/alternatives/java_sdk_1.6.0
> -> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 Dec 12 22:13
> /etc/alternatives/java_sdk_1.6.0_exports ->
> /usr/lib/jvm-exports/java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 Dec 14 10:04
> /etc/alternatives/java_sdk_exports ->
> /usr/lib/jvm-exports/java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 38 Dec 12 22:13
> /etc/alternatives/java_sdk_openjdk ->
> /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 46 Dec 12 22:13
> /etc/alternatives/java_sdk_openjdk_exports ->
> /usr/lib/jvm-exports/java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 41 Dec 14 10:04 /etc/alternatives/javaws ->
> /usr/local/lib/jvm/jdk1.6.0_32/bin/javaws
> 
> bash-4.1$ pdf2swf --version
> pdf2swf - part of swftools 0.9.1
> 
> bash-4.1$ ffmpeg -version
> ffmpeg version 0.10.6
> built on Dec 12 2012 22:26:19 with gcc 4.4.6 20120305 (Red Hat 4.4.6-4)
> configuration: --enable-libmp3lame
> libavutil      51. 35.100 / 51. 35.100
> libavcodec     53. 61.100 / 53. 61.100
> libavformat    53. 32.100 / 53. 32.100
> libavdevice    53.  4.100 / 53.  4.100
> libavfilter     2. 61.100 /  2. 61.100
> libswscale      2.  1.100 /  2.  1.100
> libswresample   0.  6.100 /  0.  6.100
> 
> bash-4.1$ sox --version
> sox: SoX v14.2.0
> 
> I'd like to replace ffmpeg above compiled by myself with the package
> maintainer's version if possible.
> 
> 
> I restarted red5 in debug mode as suggested; the following ended up in
> the console:
> 
> bash-4.1$ ./red5-debug.sh > red5debuglog.txt
> SLF4J: Class path contains multiple SLF4J bindings.
> SLF4J: Found binding in
> [jar:file:/var/www/openmeetings/red5.jar!/org/slf4j/impl/StaticLoggerBin
> der.class]
> SLF4J: Found binding in
> [jar:file:/var/www/openmeetings/lib/logback-classic-1.0.3.jar!/org/slf4j
> /impl/StaticLoggerBinder.class]
> SLF4J: See http://www.slf4j.org/codes.html#multiple_bindings for an
> explanation.
> Dec 14, 2012 10:44:57 AM
> org.apache.axis2.deployment.util.TempFileManager <clinit>
> INFO: TempFileManager::unable to delete
> /tmp/axis2-tmp-5693606510742629468.tmp
> 
> The attached file red5debuglog.txt is the result of recording a short
> clip (or two short clips actually, because I first forgot to change the
> quality to maximum). I also attach a file screensharing.log that I by
> coincidence found in the home folder of my client.
> 
> 
> Friendly greetings,
> Mikael
> 
> 
> 
> On 2012.14.12, at 10:35, Stephen Cottham wrote:
> 
>> Hey Mikael,
>> 
>> Can you stop your OM instance running then start it this way:
>> 
>> cd /usr/lib/red5
>> 
>> then issue
>> 
>> ./red5-debug.sh
>> 
>> Keep this terminal session running and start to use OM 2.X - keep an 
>> eye on this session and see if any errors or warnings pop up that may 
>> shed some light on what is going wrong.
>> 
>> From Step 10, the red5 folder(s) and the scripts are owned and run as 
>> "nobody"
>> 
>> Please report back the findings from running with the debug window.
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Stephen Cottham
>> Group IT Manager (Associate)
>> 
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mikael Kurula [mailto:alcar...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 14 December 2012 08:18
>> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: New to OpenMeetings; looking for input before 
>> installation
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> What do you mean by "encoder" here? Red5 or ffmpeg? The flv output by
>> red5 (?) was already corrupted and red5 is included with OM, so it 
>> seems unlikely red5 is broken for me but working fine for everybody
> else.
>> Which libraries does red5 depend on to generate the flv?
>> 
>> As prompted by Stephen, I checked /webapps/openmeetings/config.xml. In
> 
>> particular, my video frame rate was set to 30 even if it said that the
> 
>> default is 15. I had no comment that I would have changed it, but it 
>> can still be that I did. Anyway, changing that to 15 did not fix the 
>> problems with the video playing too fast (because of lost frames it 
>> seems).
>> 
>> I also downgraded from jre 7 to jre 6u32, installing it properly via 
>> the alternatives command this time, but that didn't help either. (The 
>> env command returns nothing associated to java.)
>> 
>> As what type of user are you btw. supposed to run the OM server? I 
>> didn't understand if Stephen's script starts openmeetings as root or 
>> as a non-privileged user? I run it using my own unprivileged account.
>> 
>> Fg,
>> MiK
>> 
>> 
>> On 2012.13.12, at 15:25, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> 
>>> raw file is generated by red5 server.
>>> If I were you I would start from set up all third party tools (1 
>>> minute file played in 10 secods seems to be encoder issue)
>>> 
>>> you can get latest build here
>>> https://builds.apache.org/job/openmeetings/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifa
>>> c
>>> t/ (produced on daily basis)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 6:28 PM, Mikael Kurula <alcar...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Hello Solomax!
>>> 
>>> Thanks for you input again! I used only --enable-libmp3lame, since
>> that was the only one mentioned in the installation instructions at 
>> http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/installation.html . Do the 
>> instructions need updating?
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I don't think I'm having problems with ffmpeg. I now looked a
>> little bit deeper into this, doing the following:
>>> 
>>> 1. I went to my conference room and recorded a 1 min 10 sec clip at
>> the highest quality.
>>> 2. The final output file, flvRecording_35.avi has this length, but 
>>> the
>> video only plays until around 10 seconds, super fast, then it stops 
>> there, as expected since that has been the behaviour here all the
> time.
>>> 3. The flv file containing the video ingredient for
>> flvRecording_35.avi, called
>> rec_35_stream_d579934cc40ab48c8604eb35a2243a31_13_12_2012_13_10_28.flv
>> ,
>> is also only around 10 seconds.
>>> 
>>> So, how is the raw flv video data being generated in OM; I guess the
>> problem lies there?
>>> 
>>> And, to rephraze my old question: I don't want to generate the avi
>> file since it only wastes space for me, and I want to improve the 
>> sound quality. What part of the code do I need to tweak for that?
>>> 
>>> If I want to try out later versions of OM than 2.0, where can I 
>>> download these? I'm afraid that I'm partially struggling with bugs 
>>> that might already have been fixed in later releases. (The Upgrading 
>>> instructions on the apache openmeetings web page only talks about how
> 
>>> to make and restore backups, not how to upgrade the OM installation.)
>>> 
>>> Friendly greetings,
>>> Mikael
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2012.13.12, at 04:28, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello Mikael,
>>>> 
>>>> I personally build ffmpeg 10.3 from the sources all the time
>>>> IMPORTANT: it should be configured with the following options before
>> 
>>>> build --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libxvid --enable-libvorbis 
>>>> --enable-libgsm --enable-libfaac --enable-gpl --enable-nonfree
>>>> 
>>>> also please ensure flashsv and flashsv2 decoder/encoder are enable 
>>>> after configure
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> According to your recording problem: I wish I have your machine to 
>>>> fix the recordings :))) It is really hard to fix without being able 
>>>> to reproduce :(
>>>> 
>>>> I'll try to take a look at this message at the code.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Mikael Kurula <alcar...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Dimitri,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks a lot for your friendly and constructive message! With your 
>>>> help I now managed to install the libreoffice converter, so now I 
>>>> can import almost any imaginable file format to the whiteboard, 
>>>> which is awesome. :) (The alternative command didn't find Oracle's 
>>>> java on my server, but I changed the symlink to java in 
>>>> /etc/alternatives by hand.)
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, unlike you (and perhaps most users it seems?), my
>> situation is not that everything "just works"; therefore I ask for 
>> help here. I also hope that my questions indicate issues which might 
>> need to be addressed before OpenMeetings can be accessible to the wide
> 
>> public; I suppose it is in the interest of the developers to at least 
>> be aware of my problems. I'm very surprised if nobody else has these 
>> problems. And it says on a page somewhere that the OM project is 
>> grateful for any feedback; maybe my questions can be regarded as 
>> feedback from a not-quite-so-technical user.
>>>> 
>>>> I tried looking at the mailing list archive again, but I can't find
>> a way to search per author (or per keyword either for that matter), so
> 
>> I cannot find your earlier posts. If you happen to know the answer to 
>> any of my questions in this post, then I'd be most grateful:
>>>> 
>>>> http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-user
>>>> /201212.mbox/%3C081FEEE9-ACDF-4E35-B8B4-CA0910711F88%40gmail.com%3E
>>>> 
>>>> After I wrote that post, I have now found some suggestions for
>> server hardware for OM, but it's still not clear to me if the fact 
>> that my server is a single 2 GHz cpu with only 2GB of RAM is connected
> 
>> to my problem 3 or not. We have so far only been testing with one or 
>> two clients at once.
>>>> 
>>>> I had a new look at the installation instructions for CentOS 6 and I
>> installed all the listed packages using yum. I didn't want to follow 
>> these instructions earlier, because as I have understood, you 
>> shouldn't install software from source outside of your package 
>> manager. In Ubuntu it's easy to compile from source with the package 
>> manager but in CentOS it seems very complicated; I have tried without
> success a few times.
>>>> 
>>>> Desperate to get the recordings to work, I anyway tried installing
>> ffmpeg-0.10.6.tar.bz2 from source (I chose version 0.10.6 because it 
>> says in the OpenMeetings installation instructions that OM is tested 
>> against ffmpeg 10.3), since my version from the package manager was 
>> antique. Unfortunately, that didn't improve anything. I didn't compile
> 
>> flvtools from source, because the package maintainer's version was 
>> 0.9.1.
>>>> 
>>>> Which version of flvtools and ffmpeg are you using if I may ask?
>> What other packages could cause me recording problems? And what are 
>> the CPU/RAM specifications of your server? Which version of OM do you 
>> use and where did you download it if you have a newer version than 
>> 2.0? I downloaded 2.0 from the download page, since I got the 
>> impression that is the latest stable version, but I'd be happy to test
> 
>> with newer versions in case there is hope they'd work better for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Very grateful for any help as usual, Mikael
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 12 December 2012 15:56, Dimitri Yioulos <dyiou...@onpointfc.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Mikael,
>>>> 
>>>> This response is more motivational than technical:
>>>> 
>>>> I had no problem at all using OM/LibreOffice with Oracle's Java.  
>>>> Both OpenJDK and Java 7 are installed on my machine, but I've made 
>>>> Java 7 the "active" version using the alternatives command.  
>>>> Likewise, using MySQL works, as does recording.  I'm sure you're 
>>>> searching the mailing list archive for some guidance (you'll see 
>>>> plenty of shouts for help from me :-) ).  Also, I found that this 
>>>> how-to:
>>>> 
>>>> http://code.google.com/p/openmeetings/wiki/InstallationCentOS5
>>>> 
>>>> is a good starting point for installing OM on CentOS (5 and 6).
>>>> 
>>>> What I've found (surprise, surprise) is that you do have to tweak 
>>>> and test to get everything working just right.  I suppose these are 
>>>> the "rough edges" of the current OM release.  However, this release 
>>>> has come a long way from earlier ones, which I tried in the 
>>>> way-back.  I'm thinking that future releases will be kick-a**.
>>>> 
>>>> Keep at it; it's worth the effort!
>>>> 
>>>> Dimitri
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Wednesday 12 December 2012 8:23:10 am Mikael Kurula
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm also in the process of trying out if OpenMeetings is a possible
> 
>>>>> alternative to Adobe Connect, with which I'm utterly fed up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The only problem I had with CentOS is that LibreOffice for CentOS 6
> 
>>>>> depends on OpenJDK whereas OpenMeetings need Oracle's Java. 
>>>>> Somebody better att juggling with with yum probably can probably 
>>>>> solve this easily (in which case I'd be grateful for help).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Avoiding MySQL sounds like a reasonable idea to me, since I ran 
>>>>> into this problem:
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-488
>>>>> (From what I understood this is very rare.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right now my only showstopper issues are with recording, so I could
> 
>>>>> suggest you check out if the recording capabilities are sufficient 
>>>>> for your needs. In addition to the messages I've posted to the 
>>>>> users list, I'm also having this problem:
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OPENMEETINGS-270
>>>>> 
>>>>> Otherwise OpenMeetings would surely do the job just fine for me, so
> 
>>>>> I sincerely hope I can make the recordings work, but I need help 
>>>>> from the OM experts for that. :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Friendly greetings,
>>>>> Mikael
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 2012.12.12, at 15:09, Nicklas af Ekenstam wrote:
>>>>>> Thanks Dimitri,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That's helpful nonetheless. I may try both CentOS and Ubuntu then.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I also found something which I think answers my somewhat ill 
>>>>>> articulated question regarding upstream relay servers:
>>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OPENMEETING
>>>>>> S/Cluster+Master-Slave+overview
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>> Nicklas
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos 
>>>>>> <dyiou...@onpointfc.com> wrote: Hi, Nicklas.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I can't answer any of your technical questions, but can say that 
>>>>>> I've installed OM on a VMware virtual machine running CentOS 6.3.
> 
>>>>>> It works a treat.  Others have installed it on machines running 
>>>>>> Ubuntu.  I guess that's a matter of personal choice depending on, 
>>>>>> for example, the distro you're most comfortable with, or run in 
>>>>>> your environment.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> HTH.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dimitri
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Wednesday 12 December 2012 5:55:41 am Nicklas af Ekenstam
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am in the process of setting up a proof of concept based on 
>>>>>>> OpenMeetings and would very much appreciate your input on a few 
>>>>>>> questions before I get started.
>>>>>>> The goal of this proof of concept is to evaluate if OpenMeetings 
>>>>>>> would be a suitable replacement for a current system based on 
>>>>>>> Adobe Connect. (I sure hope
>>>>>>> so.)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What I would like to do is install a fully working OpenMeetings 
>>>>>>> environment that we can play around with. As I would propably 
>>>>>>> have to take this on the road I'm wondering if a VMware based 
>>>>>>> install would work? I see that there are some VMware images 
>>>>>>> available for download but I think I would prefer to do the 
>>>>>>> install from scratch myself in order to assess the installation 
>>>>>>> process as well.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm thinking of doing the install in one of our Vsphere clusters 
>>>>>>> and, if I need to take it on the road with me, export it to 
>>>>>>> VMware Workstation images and run locally on one (or more) 
>>>>>>> laptops with my own networking equipment.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> These are my questions:
>>>>>>> What is a solid choice for the OS/distro? I'm guessing, based on 
>>>>>>> reading the Wiki, that CentOS is a good choice; but what version?
> 
>>>>>>> Or should I look into one of the other fine distros out there?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm looking to try the clustering features as well on this 
>>>>>>> project so, based on that, how many servers - performing what 
>>>>>>> tasks - do you propose I setup? I would like to use PostgreSQL 
>>>>>>> for the DB, but MySQL would also work. Two servers running 
>>>>>>> OpenMeetings and one server running the database?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would also like to explore SIP connectivity so perhaps one 
>>>>>>> server running Asterisk (or similiar)?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Do I need any more servers for something that would, pretty much,
> 
>>>>>>> mimic a real live situation?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> And while I'm asking questions:
>>>>>>> Is there a way to extend OpenMeetings so that video broadcasts 
>>>>>>> could use upstream relaying servers somehow? We have schools in 
>>>>>>> different locations and it would be nice if people in these 
>>>>>>> schools could connect to a locally installed relay server for the
> 
>>>>>>> video feed instead of each of them having to go the main 
>>>>>>> OpenMeetings server gobbling up unnecessary bandwidth in the 
>>>>>>> process.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>> Nicklas
>>>>>> 
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