But it wouldn't be fun at all.... at least for me... and I did
explain<http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/obrolan-bandar/message/65763>what
barriers are. Ok, I'll write here again:

*For those who didn't catch up:
barriers = big, seem unpenetrable offer(bid) queue, effective for moving the
price up/down and play a big role in psychological wars
headshots = phantom bid/offers = sudden (dis)appearing of bids/offers, ppl
often lured in this kinda situation, got panicked and cut loss.

Most traders can't see the difference between DONE vs WITHDRAWN. All they
see (and belief) is that the BID/OFFERS are GONE. They THOUGHT they were TRX
DONE, but the fact is most of the time they were WITHDRAWN (either partially
or completely)

That's just an example on how to drive the market prices.

It's difficult to see (for average retail traders) to see what the "real"
transactions are (especially in high frequency orders). Most of
Institutional dealer use special tools to do this (like
LatentZero/RoyalBlue/Fidessa or Bloomberg TOMS and some more sophisticated
and exotic tools).*

I'm not going to get technical (since I'm not a dealer myself), maybe
someone here can help me about this?. I remember someone  mentioned about
Mechanical Trading. If you want to know about it, I suggest try google first
:)

Ok, may be you ask "why'd they need that?"

Simple. These robots KNOW ABOUT TECHNICAL, from simple trendline to the most
complex formula. They monitor money flow, regional markets, futurues, cmdy
prices, fundamentals, currencies even rumors, news and running trades. They
can mix any kind of information, and give the best price to be ordered. They
literally can READ market psychology, and most of the "core" logic are to be
CONTRARIAN.

That's why I said that I don't trade. I set target. Cuz, that's what I do,
and I just let these robots do my command. Compared to "mature" market like
those in Wall Street, IDX market capitalization are very small. It's very EASY
to move it up and down.

One of the real example of Mechanical Trading effect was the Dotcom Crash in
2000, August 07 global crash, and the recent commodity bubble crash.

The firms who used these tools have virtually unlimited resources (aka
Money) to get what they want, and they're working not just in IDX, but in
all markets in the world. Maybe this sounds like a science fiction for some.
But this is real. Don't ever try to beat these machines. Well, actually I
don't have anything else to explain, since you (Embah) and Oentoeng are
already know and aware of it. (Why the hell am I telling you this, I'm
killing myself..lol)

Oh, fyi we work in groups.

Now, is there any question so far, kids?

Elaine





On 3/24/08, jsx_consultant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Pak Ontoeng udah kasih opini JANTAN terbuka.. salute to you...
>
> Kita tunggu apa EL berani ngasih opini JANTAN juga ???
>
> Embah pengen tahu apakah DIDALAM strong character EL, juga
> ada KEBERANIAN untuk bicara secara JANTAN (= GAMBLANG dan JELAS)
> tanpa pake: kode kodean lah, barrier lah...
>
>
> --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com <obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "oentoeng_qq"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > P. Rei...
> >
> > Katanya Elaine khan MARCH MADNESS, saya baru inget kl bulan MARET
> > ini belon berakhir.
> > Trus saya kok feeling ama ketawa EL itu agak aneh gitu...
> > Saya perhatikan hari ini kok byk yg "rebutan jualan"...
> > Kayaknya BIG TSUNAMI sudah dekat nih...
> >
> > Saya tunggu seminggu ini deh, semoga lekas datang biar JELAS
> > sekalian.
> > Ntar malem, moga2 di mimpi saya keluar tgl dan harinya KAPAN?
> > Kayak nomer togel aja yah, hahaha....
> > Kalau belon keluar paling lambat saya tunggu sampe awal bulan depan!
> >
> > Karena BIG TSUNAMI kalau keluar beneran target 2000 akan NYAMPE!
> > So...be careful ajalah!
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> >
> > --- In obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com <obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Rei <highwaystar91@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maksudnya apa pak Oen?
> > > Bingung nih kalo ngomongnya pake istilah2 begini yg hanya
> > dimengerti beberapa pihak saja...ini milis kan isinya org2 biasa
> > jadi jadikanlah kami juga bagian dari pertunjukan anda, jangan
> > eksklusif buat pihak2 tertentu saja :D
> > >
> > >
> > > oentoeng_qq <oentoeng_qq@> wrote:
> > > Yang jelas Elaine akan menyelesaikan MARCH MADNESSnya
> di
> > MINGGU INI.
> > > Kalau liat ketawanya yg kayak kuntilanak, mestinya penantian ini
> > > nggak akan lama.
> > >
> > > Tunggu saja AKSInya...
> > > MENTAL sudah tidak berdaya, tapi KAKI masih kuat berdiri khan?
> > > Ya nggak El?
> > > Hehehe....
> > >
> > > > ----- Pesan Asli ----
> > > > Dari: Elaine <you.can.call.me.elaine@>
> > > > Kepada: obrolan-bandar@yahoogroups.com<obrolan-bandar%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Terkirim: Senin, 24 Maret, 2008 13:23:39
> > > > Topik: Re: [obrolan-bandar] Re: Awas BULL TRAP!
> > > >
> > > > hihi no more free lunch.. you're on your own now. Don't be too
> > > dependent to Elaine, use your own analysis... come on, you're
> good
> > > trader, right? How could you believe me more than your own
> > > analysis..lol. .
> > > >
> > > > Elaine
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
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> > >
> >
>
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