Bisa Galak juga mas harry wie jen ini. Biasanya kalem aja tuh di room #ob.
Tapi mestinya emang harus ada etika kok. Katanya mau ada gathering room irc #ob
ya? Boleh ikutan? Gmana daftarnya?
harrywijaya81 wrote:
> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , "Vaulstrad" <vaulst...@. ..>
> wrote:
>> gpp sir ...
> saya jg minta maaf kalo kata kata saya kasar
> mohon dimaafkan jg ... :)
> kita di " perahu " yg sama , mohon jgn saling ribut ... :)
>> maaf pak harry. saya tarik balik semua statement saya.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , "harrywijaya81" <harrywijaya81@ >
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com , bank bni <bankbnijkt@ > wrote:
>> > > gini pak ...
>> > bukan mksd mau bicara kasar ...
>> > tp jgn main nuduh aza ...
>> > apa dia d ada bukti ???
>> > kalo dia yg dituduh org ... bgmana ???
>> >
>> >
>> > > Weleh...weleh. ..weleh.. ., bahasanya kok jadi bagus banget ya..., Yang
>> > > sopan atuh....
>> > > Jangan terlalu terbuka gitu ah...ini kan milih umum....
>> > >
>> > > Maaf ya....mungkin kalau bahasanya seperti ini terus , bisa di blok
>> > > tuh...pak Admin user nya.
>> > >
>> > > Tks
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ____________ _________ _________ __
>> > > From: Cougar Boy <boysngirls@ >
>> > > To: obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com
>> > > Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:12:10 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [ob] ph ... MULUT U TOLONG DIJAGA ...!!!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > lebih tepat jari kali ya :D
>> > >
>> > > ini kan email....
>> > >
>> > > joke :D
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:04 PM, harrywijaya81 <harrywijaya81@
>> > > yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In obrolan-bandar@ yahoogroups. com, PHâ„¢ <vaulstrad@ .> wrote:
>> > > > PH ............ ...
>> > > kalo u ngomong , mulut tolong dijaga , jgn asal keluar aza ...
>> > > w tau , mgkn u salah satu org yg sangkutz di bumi wkt 8000 an yah ...
>> > > kekekkekeeeee ... rasain u ... kalo emang lg sangkutz berat di bumi ,
>> > > jgn sensitif gt donk tolol ............ .
>> > >
>> > > mgkn anda tdk kenal dkt dgn rully , tp saya sangat kenal dgn rully ...
>> > > rully bukan type org yg bisa disuap .
>> > >
>> > > KALO ANDA YG KETUA KIPS , MGKN IYA , BISA DISUAP .
>> > >
>> > > DASAR TOLOL ...
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Even leader / representative of Minority shareholder bisa di beli...
>> > > > ;(
>> > > > Takut kali kalau masalah ini berlanjut saham dia nanti kena margin
>> > > > call... jadi boke.... dan mendingan jg terima duit dulu dari orang
>> > > > tertentu....
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---------
>> > > > Bumi Investors Say: ‘No Probe? No Problem’
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > In
>> > > > 2007, Indonesia was ranked worst out of 11 regional markets in the
>> > > > Asian Corporate Governance Association survey, and, judging by the
>> > > > market regulator’s apparent whitewash of the PT Bumi Resources
>> > > > probe,
>> > > > nothing much has changed.
>> > > >
>> > > > However, despite the potential
>> > > > damage to the credibility of the bourse and the regulator â€" not
>> > > > to
>> > > > mention the interests of small investors â€" it now appears that
>> > > > it’s a
>> > > > case of â€Å"out of sight, out of mind,†with analysts and even
>> > > > Bumi’s
>> > > > minority shareholders suddenly saying they are happy with the decision
>> > > > of the Capital Market and Financial Institution Supervisory Agency
>> > > > (Bapepam-LK) .
>> > > >
>> > > > In January, the agency launched a probe into the
>> > > > Bumi’s purchase of three coal firms â€" PT Darma Henwa, PT
>> > > > Fajar Bumi
>> > > > Sakti and PT Pendopo Energi Batubara â€" for a total of Rp 6.18
>> > > > trillion
>> > > > ($593 million) after an investor and media outcry over allegations
>> > > > that
>> > > > the acquisitions were overpriced.
>> > > >
>> > > > It was also alleged that the
>> > > > acquisitions amounted to a material transaction requiring the approval
>> > > > of Bumi shareholders â€" which was never given â€" ÂÂand that
>> > > > some of the
>> > > > coal firms were actually affiliated with Bumi’s owners, the
>> > > > Bakrie
>> > > > group of companies, through obscure cross-shareholding arrangements.
>> > > >
>> > > > However,
>> > > > after a seemingly interminable probe that included the recruitment of
>> > > > an outside appraiser, the only fault Bapepam could come up with was
>> > > > that the price paid for one of the targets, PT Fajar Bumi Sakti, was
>> > > > Rp
>> > > > 370 billion too high.
>> > > >
>> > > > But even here Bumi was given an easy way
>> > > > out â€" all it had to do was renegotiate the price and bring it
>> > > > down to a
>> > > > â€Å"reasonable†level, which it says it is now in the process
>> > > > of doing.
>> > > >
>> > > > The
>> > > > market watchdog also let Bumi off the hook on the material transaction
>> > > > question, saying that since the transactions took place in different
>> > > > fiscal years the issue of materiality did not arise â€" a view that
>> > > > many
>> > > > would consider excessively legalistic given that all of the
>> > > > transactions took place within little more than one week. Dharma Henwa
>> > > > was bought on Dec. 30, Pendopo Energi Batubara on Jan. 5 and Fajar
>> > > > Bumi
>> > > > Sakti on Jan. 7.
>> > > >
>> > > > Capital market regulations designed to
>> > > > protect the interests of minority shareholders require a company to
>> > > > seek shareholder approval for a transaction if its value exceeds 10
>> > > > percent of the company’s revenue or 20 percent of its market
>> > > > value. In
>> > > > this case, the combined value of the transactions would have required
>> > > > such approval had they not been completed in different years.
>> > > >
>> > > > On
>> > > > the affiliation issue, Bapepam has completely abandoned its
>> > > > investigation without coming up with any findings, saying that the
>> > > > question is now irrelevant.
>> > > >
>> > > > Indra Safitri, an independent
>> > > > capital market legal consultant, said that Bapepam had based its
>> > > > actions on the findings of the independent appraiser.
>> > > >
>> > > > â€Å"The
>> > > > other issues become irrelevant if the prices paid are reasonable,â€
>> > > > he
>> > > > said, when asked whether the market watchdog was justified in
>> > > > abandoning its affiliation probe.
>> > > >
>> > > > Meanwhile, a representative
>> > > > of Bumi’s minority shareholders, Rully Oetomo, said: â€Å"We
>> > > > welcome the
>> > > > fact that Bumi’s management is willing to renegotiate and seek
>> > > > a better
>> > > > price for Fajar Bumi.â€
>> > > >
>> > > > Rully said that since the transactions
>> > > > were found to have been nonmaterial, Bumi would not now have to seek
>> > > > shareholder approval. A meeting had been scheduled for this purpose
>> > > > this coming Friday.
>> > > >
>> > > > â€Å"We will not push Bapepam to continue the investigation into the
>> > > > affiliation issue if we are happy with the price,†Rully said.
>> > > >
>> > > > But
>> > > > despite the newfound acquiescence of the company’s
>> > > > shareholders, doubts
>> > > > nevertheless persist, not to mention concerns over the future of
>> > > > corporate governance here as a whole, with one analyst having aptly
>> > > > characterized the entire affair as â€Å"nothing more than a
>> > > > game.â€
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Jakarta Globe
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
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