My experience has been that greater specificity is appreciated.  I think 
consensus (where “consensus” != “unanimity”) is the most significant measure of 
whether a “draft is complete” (and that the ADs are satisfied).

I’m not arguing that the more specific text be included.  I’m saying do not be 
overly concerned if it is.

Pierce



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I agree with you, Paul. A statement that this is not anonymous should be 
sufficient.

-dhs

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On Jan 9, 2025, at 12:10 PM, Paul Bastian 
<paul.bast...@posteo.de<mailto:paul.bast...@posteo.de>> wrote:
It seems to me saying "SD-JWT is not an anonymous credential system according 
to <link>" then seems sufficient, as most of the other text is already present 
in the thorough unlinkability section.

Also I see that it gets increasingly difficult, if drafts have to enumerate all 
the things that they are not, this is a slippery slope that may never be 
complete.

Best, Paul

On 1/9/25 8:32 PM, Watson Ladd wrote:

On Thu, Jan 9, 2025 at 10:39 AM Dean Saxe
<dean.saxe=40beyondidentity....@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:dean.saxe=40beyondidentity....@dmarc.ietf.org>>
 wrote:
I’m struggling with the same thing.  If there’s somewhere that this is 
described/documented it should be linked from the text.  I added the same 
comment to the PR.

https://www.google.com/url?q=https://github.com/oauth-wg/oauth-selective-disclosure-jwt/pull/535%23issuecomment-2580990520&source=gmail-imap&ust=1737058221000000&usg=AOvVaw2ZJTyUSYKf5i67EjayhT9A
We can link to CL01, but I think there might be some easier to
understand presentations. Will look.

-dhs
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On Jan 9, 2025 at 10:20:56 AM, Paul Bastian 
<paul.bast...@posteo.de<mailto:paul.bast...@posteo.de>> wrote:
Hi Watson,

Could you please link the standard security notation for anonymous credentials 
that you are referring to?

Best, Paul
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