You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. If people choose to be the authors of their own misfortunes, that is their choice. I know a good many folks who are not members of NANOG yet have multiple separate L2 and L3 networks to keep the "crap" isolated.
> -----Original Message----- > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+kmedcalf=dessus....@nanog.org] On Behalf > Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Sunday, 20 December, 2015 20:37 > Cc: North American Network Operators Group > Subject: Re: Nat > > We can't get people to use passwords judiciously (create them at all for > WiFi, change them, use more than one, etc.) and now you want them to > manage networks? > > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Randy Fischer" <randy.fisc...@gmail.com> > To: "Mike Hammett" <na...@ics-il.net> > Cc: "North American Network Operators Group" <nanog@nanog.org> > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 9:34:16 PM > Subject: Re: Nat > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 10:15 PM, Mike Hammett < na...@ics-il.net > wrote: > > > Most people couldn't care less and just want the Internet on their device > to work. > > > > > Well, if the best practice for CPE routers included as a matter of course > the subnets "connected to internet", "local only (e.g. IoT)" and "guest > network", and if they just worked, then they wouldn't mind that either. > > > A friend of mine used to refer to this as 'refrigerator consciousness" - > he was a gearhead, so it was a pejorative. Instead, I think of it as a > design goal. > > > -Randy Fischer > > >
