On 29 Apr 2012, at 22:03, David Conrad wrote:

> Alex,
> 
> On Apr 29, 2012, at 8:16 AM, Alex Band wrote:
>> All in all, for an RPKI-specific court order to be effective in taking a 
>> network offline, the RIR would have to tamper with the registry, inject 
>> false data and try to make sure it's not detected so nobody applies a local 
>> override.
> 
> I suspect the court order would simply say something like 'RIPE-NCC must, 
> upon pain of contempt of court, take sufficient steps to invalidate the 
> allocations made to customer X' and leave it up to you all to figure out how 
> to do it. I doubt they'd care all that much about implementation details. Are 
> you saying it is not possible for RIPE-NCC staff to do this? I also doubt the 
> court would care too much about 'local override' as the "Tyranny of Defaults" 
> would be sufficient for their needs (and they could probably sanction the 
> folks in the Netherlands who they discovered did the override).
> 
> As Randy points out, this is not unique to SIDR-defined RPKI.  It is 
> applicable to any top-down hierarchical authorization mechanism.  Security 
> has (non-monetary) costs.

Thanks David, I know that a court order doesn't have to specific. I just want 
to make people aware that in the case of RPKI, things are not as clear cut as 
"Revoked ROA = Offline network". It depends on many factors and I just want to 
offer a little perspective of what's involved.

-Alex

(P.S. I'm going on holiday for a week without internet access, so I won't be 
able to follow up on this thread for a while)

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