On 8/5/2010 8:04 AM, William Herrin wrote: > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:25 AM, Steven Bellovin <s...@cs.columbia.edu> wrote: >> Clearly, the apartment complex owners could do that if >> they so choose. I'm not sure who you suggest should >> "buy a box from mail boxes etc. yourself and set up >> mail forwarding each time you set up a new apartment >> complex" -- the ISP? How does that help? This is, as >> you say, a way to contact the apartment complex owners, right? > > Steven, > > Getting a post office box is a standard and widely accepted way to > receive mail when for any reason you don't want the mail addressed to > your physical location. Companies like Mail Boxes Etc. take the > service one step further - they'll repackage the received mail and > send it to your physical address so you don't have to stop by and > check the box. Essentially, they provide a second postal address for > the recipient unbound from the recipient's physical address. > > That's what you wanted, right? To avoid revealing the resource > consumer's physical address? > > >> The issues have to do with knowledge and expenditure. >> For the most part, consumers and apartment complex >> owners have no knowledge of IP geolocation or SWIP. >> It is consumer privacy at risk here, but consumers have >> no opportunity to opt out of this scheme even if they >> knew about it. "Discuss it with the apartment complex" >> is generally null advice; apart from the fact that consumers >> have exactly zero leverage in many markets, the apartment >> managers (a) don't know about it, either, and (b) can't be >> bothered to get a PO box and collect the (rare) mail from it. > > If you feel that way, I suggest you take the issue up on the ARIN > public policy mailing list. Solicit public consensus for a change in > handling for SWIPs for "apartment complexes as ISP resellers." Absent > such a change, redacting identity and contact info for the apartment > management company remains simple fraud. > > Regards, > Bill Herrin
There's usually a 50/50 split between the HOA (Home Owners Association) and the individual that are our customers. In the case of a HOA it's not that the HOA is reselling it's that we are contracted to service every member of the HOA and the HOA gives us one check for everyone.
