One country whose internet resources are nominally controlled by a RIR
that's located in an enemy jurisdiction is Russia.
The Netherlands could not physically invade Russia to disconnect its
servers or routers, but it could easily require the invalidation of
Russian internet resources since RIPE NCC falls under its jurisdiction.
This would, as has already been stated, shatter the illusion of the
Internet being a cohesive whole -- some people would be unable to access
Russian internet sites, while other people would be unable to access
European internet sites to which the formerly Russian resources were
reallocated.
Possibly the main reason this hasn't happened yet is that politicians
don't understand what internet resources are, or how they're allocated,
or what could be achieved by forcibly changing allocations.
On 15/11/24 18:11, Tom Beecher wrote:
We're talking about what an RIR can do if ordered by a court with
jurisdiction. Remember: a court ordered AFRINIC to do some pretty
remarkable things in the not too distant past.
Sure, but my point is still the same. If at any point, we cannot trust
that an RIR is the authoritative record holder of IP allocations , be
it malfeasance/negligence, or a legal/government entity forcing them
to take an action outside of established policy, then RPKI is severely
crippled, if not useless.
However, I think it's an overblown concern. If a government entity has
the courts in their pocket to force an RIR to do a thing, they have
the power to do abou 10 other much easier things that would actually
prevent full access to the thing they don't like. ( I'm taking your
servers, I'm forcing you to unplug routers, etc)
Doesn't really make sense for them to force the RIR to do a think that
would only disrupt access, not prevent it entirely.
On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 8:24 PM William Herrin <b...@herrin.us> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 2:44 PM Tom Beecher <beec...@beecher.cc>
wrote:
> Yes, you're correct on that point.
>
> Fundamentally though, if an RIR actually did that, it's
effectively the end of RPKI, and seismic damage to the internet at
large.
We're talking about what an RIR can do if ordered by a court with
jurisdiction. Remember: a court ordered AFRINIC to do some pretty
remarkable things in the not too distant past.
Regards,
Bill Herrin
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