Terrain has a lot to do with the service you can get. Twenty five miles
west of Denver are technically foothills but it is a lot of mountainous
terrain. No company wants to run any cable up there.
--John
On 5/24/22 09:48, Mitchell Tanenbaum via NANOG wrote:
I have two fixed wireless Internet connections here. One is 25/5, the
other is 35/5. There is no cable, no fiber, no cellular, not even DSL
from the phone company. That is reality in metro Denver, CO
(actually, the foothills, 25 miles from the state Capitol building).
Regarding Starlink, no, you can’t get it. I paid my deposit a year
and a half ago and I am still on the waiting list. Every time that I
get close to the date they promise, they change the promise. Maybe I
will get Starlink service some time in the future, but, not any time soon.
Oh, yeah, and 25 meg down costs $75 a month. If you want VoIP, that
is another $20+.
So not only is it slow, it is expensive too.
So yes, there still is a problem, right here in America. And not just
in the boonies.
Mitch
*From:*NANOG <nanog-bounces+mitch=mtanenbaum...@nanog.org> *On Behalf
Of *Matthew Huff
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2022 9:38 AM
*To:* Brian Turnbow <b.turn...@twt.it>; David Bass
<davidbass...@gmail.com>; Sean Donelan <s...@donelan.com>
*Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
*Subject:* RE: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF
providers
I grew up in rural Texas where my mother still lives. She has adequate
speed internet, the biggest issue is reliability. The whole town
(there is only 1 provider) has an outage for about an hour every week.
Two weeks ago, there was no internet for 3 days. Cellular service is
4G and not even that reliable for data even on the best days.
*From:*NANOG <nanog-bounces+mhuff=ox....@nanog.org> *On Behalf Of
*Brian Turnbow via NANOG
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2022 9:35 AM
*To:* David Bass <davidbass...@gmail.com>; Sean Donelan <s...@donelan.com>
*Cc:* nanog@nanog.org
*Subject:* RE: FCC proposes higher speed goals (100/20 Mbps) for USF
providers
Here in Italy there have been a lot of investments to get better
broadband.
Such as government sponsored bundles for areas with no return on
investments, for schools etc with a lot of focus on reaching gigabit
speeds
The results have been mainly positive even though there are delays.
On the end user side in 2020 one of the largest ISPs started offering
2.5Gbps service
Adds all over and users started asking for it, even though they don’t
have a 2.5 nic or router, so now all of the major providers are
rolling it out.
Illiad one uped them a couple of months ago pushing a 5Gbps service
and now I get people asking me if we offer 5Gbps fiber lines.. pure
marketing…
I have a 1Gbps/100Mbps line and it is plenty enough for the family
rarely do we even get near the limits.
It’s kind of like when I ask for an Italian espresso in the states and
get a cup full of coffee, no I just want a very small italian style
espresso..
The response is Why? you are paying for it take it all
Bigger is better, even if you don’t need it, reigns supreme.
The real problem most users experience isn’t that they have a gig, or
even 100Mb of available download bandwidth…it’s that they infrequently
are able to use that full bandwidth due to massive over subscription .
The other issue is the minimal upload speed. It’s fairly easy to
consume the 10Mb that you’re typically getting as a residential
customer. Even “business class” broadband service has a pretty poor
upload bandwidth limit.
We are a pretty high usage family, and 100/10 has been adequate, but
there’s been times when we are pegged at the 10 Mb upload limit, and
we start to see issues.
I’d say 25/5 is a minimum for a single person.
Would 1 gig be nice…yeah as long as the upload speed is dramatically
increased as part of that. We would rarely use it, but that would
likely be sufficient for a long time. I wouldn’t pay for the extra at
this point though.
On Mon, May 23, 2022 at 8:20 PM Sean Donelan <s...@donelan.com> wrote:
Remember, this rulemaking is for 1.1 million locations with the
"worst"
return on investment. The end of the tail of the long tail. Rural
and
tribal locations which aren't profitable to provide higher speed
broadband.
These locations have very low customer density, and difficult to
serve.
After the Sandwich Isles Communications scandal, gold-plated
proposals
will be viewed with skepticism. While a proposal may have a lower
total
cost of ownership over decades, the business case is the cheapest for
the first 10 years of subsidies. [massive over-simplification]
Historically, these projects have lack of timely completion
(abandoned,
incomplete), and bad (overly optimistic?) budgeting.
