I'm referring to AS6461. They're offering IP transit from AS6461 here since 2017 (the takeover of AS15290's facilities in Montreal/rest of Canada).
Eric On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 8:32 PM Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: > In the context of Montreal, to clarify, when you say Zayo are you > referring to Zayo Canada (former AT&T Canada/MTS-Allstream), or AS6461, the > original Abovenet AS which is Zayo USA's IP transit network? > > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:17 AM Eric Dugas via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> > wrote: > >> The details you mentioned about Cogent and HE are still right. >> >> I'm managing an eyeball network and have Cogent in our blend but I also >> have three other Tier1s and VERY extensive peering (public and private). We >> have (from the cheapest to most expensive) Cogent, Telia, Zayo and Tata. I >> have to mention that we're based in Montreal so less choices compared to >> your market. The only two other Tier1s available in Montrea is GTT and >> Lumen/CL/Level3. >> >> Cogent: difficult relations, good service overall >> Telia: excellent relations, good service overall >> Tata: good relations, good service overall >> Zayo: difficult relations, good service overall >> >> Eric >> >> On Feb 17 2021, at 1:49 pm, Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> wrote: >> >> This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that >> content networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance, >> I have little to no reason as an eyeball network to exchange traffic with >> any other eyeball network (aside from P2P games). For a content network, >> getting into the eyeball networks is their objective. >> >> My crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of control because >> people won't be able to keep it on topic, but it is a question that I hear >> VERY often. I also expect a lot of purely bad or outdated information to >> get thrown out. >> >> Please try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic over relatively >> unimportant details. >> >> There are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE. >> >> Cogent >> >> - Refuses to peer IPv6 with HE >> - Refuses to peer IPv6 with Google >> - Aggressive sales tactics >> >> Hurricane >> >> - Doesn't have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal >> - Lack of communities for anything other than blackholes >> >> >> I know there are a variety of other providers such as Fusion Network that >> operate at similar price points, but are available in way fewer locations. >> >> What else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x, 10x the cost? >> >> Cogent and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes deservedly so), but >> when I talk to someone trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x the >> cost of Cogent and HE, you better have a very good argument for why you're >> worth it... and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?" Many times I'm >> quoted transit that costs more than Cogent + IX + HE and they don't really >> have a good argument for it. >> >> As an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% - 85% of my traffic and >> almost all of my traffic that anyone is going to notice or complain about >> if there are issues (video streaming). >> >> I do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have different requirements. >> >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >> >> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> >>
