Second vote for NTT. Also, second vote for GTT.
-- TTFN, patrick > On Feb 17, 2021, at 14:07, David Hubbard <dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com> > wrote: > > > I’ve been pretty happy with NTT but their POPs can be limited; I’ve had to > pick up waves to them, which sometimes still comes out ahead. I’m slowly > dropping Cogent due to the v6 issues. I haven’t been able to try HE because > they and a frequent colo provider I use (Switch) don’t seem to get along. > > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces+dhubbard=dino.hostasaurus....@nanog.org> on behalf > of Mike Hammett <na...@ics-il.net> > Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2021 at 11:52 AM > To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org> > Subject: Viable Third Option? > > This is from the perspective of an eyeball network. I understand that content > networks would have different objectives and reasons. For instance, I have > little to no reason as an eyeball network to exchange traffic with any other > eyeball network (aside from P2P games). For a content network, getting into > the eyeball networks is their objective. > > My crystal ball tells me this thread will spiral out of control because > people won't be able to keep it on topic, but it is a question that I hear > VERY often. I also expect a lot of purely bad or outdated information to get > thrown out. > > Please try to keep it on topic and not being pedantic over relatively > unimportant details. > > There are two major low-cost providers, Cogent and HE. > > Cogent > Refuses to peer IPv6 with HE > Refuses to peer IPv6 with Google > Aggressive sales tactics > Hurricane > Doesn't have Cogent IPv6 because of Cogent's refusal > Lack of communities for anything other than blackholes > > I know there are a variety of other providers such as Fusion Network that > operate at similar price points, but are available in way fewer locations. > > What else is out there? Anyone else that isn't 5x, 10x the cost? > > Cogent and HE get looked down upon (and sometimes deservedly so), but when I > talk to someone trying to sell me a port in 350 Cermak for 8x the cost of > Cogent and HE, you better have a very good argument for why you're worth > it... and they never do. "We're not Cogent." "and?" Many times I'm quoted > transit that costs more than Cogent + IX + HE and they don't really have a > good argument for it. > > As an eyeball, I join an IX and there goes 50% - 85% of my traffic and almost > all of my traffic that anyone is going to notice or complain about if there > are issues (video streaming). > > I do understand that enterprise eyeballs may have different requirements. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP
