Can you please let it go? Or even better go some place else ? I am sure many thank you.
On 5/13/20 9:20 PM, Elad Cohen wrote: > ---- > /This is the second time I’ve seen you make this claim in public. I > see nothing in the slide deck you linked which claims they are illegal./ > ---- > According to their private presentation in the following link - they > receive on a regular basis private data from their contacts in > internet companies and internet organizations in illegal way - and > then they share it with Law Enforcement Agencies in illegal way > (without any warrant). > > https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation > > > > ---- > /Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO’s name > (Richard D G Cox) is prominently displayed on the title slide./ > ---- > Spamhaus using fake names such as "Mike Anderson", "Rob Shultz", > "Thomas Morrison", "Pete Dewas" - is a fact. > Richard D G Cox name is displayed in the presentation - because it was > a private presentation that was displayed in a private event and they > never knew that it will become public. > > > > ---- > /I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you say they > are, they would be permitted to name the FBI as a partner on their > website: https://www.spamhaus.org/organization// > ---- > They are helping Law Enforcement Agencies on a regular basis and in > very high volume according to their own presentation (by sharing with > them all the illegaly-obtained privacy data) - so Law Enforcement > Agencies look the other way. > > > > ---- > /I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you state, > that they would be admitted as members, let alone receive awards from > the National Cber-Forensics and Training Alliance./ > ---- > Some of the employees of Spamhaus are past members of Law Enforcement > Agencies, such as Andrew Fried (from deteque.com - owned by Spamhaus) > - which was a former special agent in USA government before hoped to > his new job at Spamhaus. They are connected to the Law Enforcement > Agencies in the Western world. > > > > ---- > /Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an “Internet Hero Award”./ > ---- > Yes, they help Law Enforcement Agencies, but in illegal way. > > > > ---- > /Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I think Spamhaus > has significantly more credibility than you do./ > ---- > Thank you for keep taking part in the illegal cyber influence > operation. I dislike the word "credibility" - I like the words facts > and data. Facts and data are booleans and don't let imbaciles like you > are to have an opinion, please relate to facts and to data. > > > > ---- > /That’s an awfully strange interpretation of (presumably): > / > /“Spamhaus holds a lot of information provided in confidence by > industry players — on the understanding that it can be made available > to LEAs where needed.” > / > ---- > confidence means illegal unless you are an imbacile, industry players > means internet companies and internet organizations, "on the > understanding" - meaning that their contacts that shared with them the > mass privcay data know that this data can be available to LEAs without > any warrant "where needed". > > > > ---- > /Uh, sure, and I’m the Prince of Whales./ > ---- > Ronald doesn't deny it, so you are denying it for him? > > > > ---- > /At this point, the best you’ve got on this list is an a-said/b-said > with no public evidence on either side. In such a case, it boils down > to credibility and frankly, IMHO, yours is lacking./ > ---- > Yours lacking. You are asking from me to share with you private > business documents publicly ? who are you ? > > > > ---- > /Quote 1 might be bad style on RFG’s part, but style and eloquence > have never been his strong suits./ > ---- > People that cover up racism are worst than racists. > > > > ---- > /a meticulous researcher and brutally honest/ > ---- > Proofs ? Facts ? Data ? Ever heared on any of these ? instead of > mumbling here that Coconut Guilmette is a meticulous researcher and > brutally honest. > > Here just one note on his "honesty", Coconut Guilmette wrote here in > Nanog the text in the following link: > > https://imgur.com/xWSq3g3 > > I was never contacted by CoCT like he wrote nor anyone else was > contacted, he lied to you all, not only that - but internal > correspondences of CoCT proof the complete opposite of what he wrote - > Alister of CoCT explained to Coconut Guilmette in his imagination what > he wrote there - Coconut Guilmette will not be able to show a single > proof to anything in that linked text paragraph of his. > I'm willing to show evidences of the exact opposite to one respected > member of Nanog and he will confirm it to the Nanog community (for > example to William Herrin). > > > > ---- > /Are you attempting to hide the rest of the thread from closer > scrutiny while cherry-picking quotes you hope support your narrative?/ > ---- > Racism is racism, you are again trying to to justify racism. The > person that called Ronald a racist and the person that called Ronald > an antisemitic - both of them read everything he wrote. > > > > ---- > /Quote 3 is the most amusing in that the person all but states that > you, Mr. Cohen, are acting guilty of the allegations made by RFG and > that the original poster thinks you both have things to answer for./ > ---- > No, that response regarding me was due to the lies of Coconut > Guilmette like I showed above. And there were many many more lies - > everything that Coconut Guilmette wrote about me was without any > single proof against me - only from his imagination. > Are you comparing the quote of stating that I need to answer to the > lies of Coconut Guilmette to the quote which is stating that Ronald is > an antisemitic ??? > > > > ---- > /Ron has UI problems, to be sure. Not the least of which, he doesn’t > filter and doesn’t put any effort into political correctness. He > definitely lacks polish and a certain level of social skills./ > ---- > Nice way to cover up a person which is a racist and an antisemitic, > and was called a racist and an antisemitic not by me but by people > which are not related to me. > > > > ---- > /I don’t think for one second that he is actually a racist or a bigot. > He identifies patterns and calls out what he sees. Often without > regard for the collateral damage./ > ---- > Patterns like country-origin ? city-origin ? race-patterns ? This is > called racism, you are still trying to cover up a racist and an > antisemitic. > > > > ---- > /You, Mr. Cohen, are not collateral. You are dead center of the > wrongdoing he’s been pointing out./ > ---- > The only wrongdoing is him not going to a complete health check and > you covering up a racist and an antisemitic. > > > > ---- > /Just because RFG used racist terms and you happen to be Israeli (and > for all I know Jewish, too), doesn’t mean that his accusations against > you are baseless or inaccurate./ > ---- > or Proof-less ??? > And now in this sentence you are confirming that he is a racist and > antisemitic - so why you wrote all the above? > > > > ---- > /Is it your claim that the following article: > / > /https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/318205-the-big-south-african-ip-address-heist-how-millions-are-made-on-the-grey-market.html > / > /is entirely baseless? Do you have any documentation to support such a > claim?/ > ---- > Here is the latest ordered article from the illegal anonymous > organization "The Spamhaus Project" in that site: > > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/350973-man-connected-to-african-ip-address-heist-running-for-board-position-at-european-ip-address-organisation.html > > And in it you can see that is written: > > "It must be noted that Cohen is not being accused of any illegal > activity in this report." > > That is the last article after the mumbo-jumbo that you linked. > > The site wrote it because they know that as you wrote - everything is > entirely baseless - but it doesn't matter to them - all they want is > to defame me and to hurt my chances to join the RIPE board, because > they know that I will put an end to the illegal anonymous organization > "The Spamhaus Project" if I will be elected, the defamation towards me > is only because I dared to stand up against the illegal anonymouos > organization "The Spamhaus Project". > > > > ---- > /Just out of curiosity… Is this you, too? > / > /https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-dismisses-head-of-co-ed-idf-unit-for-suspected-relationship-with-subordinate/ > / > ---- > Just out of curiosity... Is this you, too? > https://hawaiianeyetours.com/files/672%20Size%20Images/humpback_whale_breach.jpg > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, May 14, 2020 12:07 AM > *To:* Elad Cohen <e...@netstyle.io> > *Cc:* Ronald F. Guilmette <r...@tristatelogic.com>; nanog@nanog.org > <nanog@nanog.org> > *Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election > >> "The Spamhaus Project" is an illegal anonymous organization according >> to their own words in their own following presentation: >> >> https://www.scribd.com/document/445894312/Spamhaus-Illegal-Private-Data-Violation > > This is the second time I’ve seen you make this claim in public. I see > nothing in the slide deck you linked which claims they are illegal. > > Nor does it say that they are anonymous, in fact, the CIO’s name > (Richard D G Cox) is prominently displayed on the title slide. > > I seriously doubt that if they were truly the criminals you say they > are, they would be permitted to name the FBI as a partner on their > website: https://www.spamhaus.org/organization/ > > I also sincerely doubt that if they were criminals, as you state, that > they would be admitted as members, let alone receive awards from the > National Cber-Forensics and Training Alliance. > > Indeed, ISPA has also presented them with an “Internet Hero Award”. > > Frankly, when it comes to the issues of criminality, I think Spamhaus > has significantly more credibility than you do. > >> They wrote in it that they receive on a regular basis - massive >> amount of illegaly-obtained privacy data from their contacts in many >> internet companies and internet organizations - and then they share >> it in illegal way (without any warrant) with Law Enforcement Agencies >> - this is the reason that Law Enforcement Agencies are doing nothing >> regarding the illegal anonymous organization "The Spamhaus Project”. > > That’s an awfully strange interpretation of (presumably): > > “Spamhaus holds a lot of information provided in confidence by > industry players — on the understanding that it can be made > available to LEAs where needed.” > > >> Ronald Guilmette is the front person of the illegal anonymous >> organization "The Spamhaus Project”. > > Uh, sure, and I’m the Prince of Whales. > >> ---- >> /and that said legal counsel has then >> / >> /proceeded to threaten various officials of the City of Cape Town, >> / >> /South Africa with possible legal action if they do not relinquish >> / >> /to him their rights in and title to the 165.25.0.0/16 block/ >> ---- >> This is a complete lie, in order to shame CoCT I will not share their >> internal correspondences. Anyone interested to know more information >> can email me directly. > > At this point, the best you’ve got on this list is an a-said/b-said > with no public evidence on either side. In such a case, it boils down > to credibility and frankly, IMHO, yours is lacking. > >> ---- >> /"I am assured that at no time did the City of Cape Town ever sell, >> trade, or barter away their rights to this valuable IPv4 block"/ >> ---- >> Ronald is "assured" exactly as he is "assured" that all Dutch people >> are criminals and all Colombian network oeprators are criminals and >> all Chicago citizens are criminals according to his statements in the >> following links: >> https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX >> https://imgur.com/WUZvdNJ >> https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz > > Quote 1 might be bad style on RFG’s part, but style and eloquence have > never been his strong suits. OTOH, he is, in my experience, a > meticulous researcher and brutally honest. I also note that you have > carefully resorted to an image of a plain text blob with no header > matter and no way to authenticate or verify the source or validate the > attribution as factual. I don’t doubt that it is an actual RFG quote > (at least it sounds like something he’d say), but why not link to the > actual list archive where you got it? Are you attempting to hide the > rest of the thread from closer scrutiny while cherry-picking quotes > you hope support your narrative? > FWIW: Cogent sales reps who actually respond > <https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/102992.html> is > the original thread from the NANOG archives. > > Qoute 2 strikes me as an innocent snark said in jest. > FWIW: Colombia Network Operators Group > <https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2019-September/103083.html> is > the original thread from the NANOG archives. > > Quote 3 is the most amusing in that the person all but states that > you, Mr. Cohen, are acting guilty of the allegations made by RFG and > that the original poster thinks you both have things to answer for. > FWIW: Quoted thread here: Prominent horse racing identities (was Re: > Elad Cohen) > <https://mailman.nanog.org/pipermail/nanog/2020-January/105585.html> > >> Ronald was called an antisemitic and a racist person here on Nanog in >> the following two links, by people which are not related to me: >> https://imgur.com/AQCmZlk >> https://imgur.com/a/Rzrbxkz > > Ron has UI problems, to be sure. Not the least of which, he doesn’t > filter and doesn’t put any effort into political correctness. He > definitely lacks polish and a certain level of social skills. > > I don’t think for one second that he is actually a racist or a bigot. > He identifies patterns and calls out what he sees. Often without > regard for the collateral damage. > > You, Mr. Cohen, are not collateral. You are dead center of the > wrongdoing he’s been pointing out. > >> In the first "The Ronald Show" many months ago - Ronald called me in >> two antisemitic names that are being used to relate to Jews in >> Shakespeare literature (just like Ronald is relating to Shakespeare >> in https://imgur.com/AcmgwEX ) - as part of his defamation campaign >> towards me - none of you raised a voice and not only that but some >> Nanog subscribers enjoyed his racism and antisemitism (without a >> single proof against me) as was written here by them (with a popcorn). > > Just because RFG used racist terms and you happen to be Israeli (and > for all I know Jewish, too), doesn’t mean that his accusations against > you are baseless or inaccurate. > > Is it your claim that the following article: > https://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/318205-the-big-south-african-ip-address-heist-how-millions-are-made-on-the-grey-market.html > > is entirely baseless? Do you have any documentation to support such a > claim? > > Just out of curiosity… Is this you, too? > https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-dismisses-head-of-co-ed-idf-unit-for-suspected-relationship-with-subordinate/ > > Owen > >
