Wait, is there supposed to be some sort of conspiracy? I'll bet that
Steve Deering couldn't be happier being as far away from this as
possible on some deserted island off the coast of BC.
Mike
On 5/13/20 1:46 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote:
I’m a very transparent guy, nothing to hide about how much I do for
the community, including voluntary work for many folks that need and
want to implement IPv6.
Probably that explains it!
El 13/5/20 22:32, "Elad Cohen" <e...@netstyle.io
<mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> escribió:
Regards,
Jordi
"The IPv6 Company"
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*From:*NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 11:17 PM
*To:* NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
*Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
It is curious how many times we have heard that, not only heard in
NANOG and other NOGs, but also in IETF, even debated in long thread
with several IDs, and for some strange reason, we all missed that or
maybe because nobody got the running code to demonstrate his/her point
in a realistic way?
Instead, IPv6 is working for everyone that invest just a little bit of
effort, in the only credible long-term solution.
Of course, like in any aspect of our life, always some people will
believe that they can keep using legacy tools, I still see some people
using abacus instead of the “calc.app”, it is nice, just for fun, but
is not smart neither productive.
It is matter of what the world needs.
Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
El 13/5/20 21:58, "NANOG en nombre de Elad Cohen"
<nanog-boun...@nanog.org <mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org> en nombre de
e...@netstyle.io <mailto:e...@netstyle.io>> escribió:
Your home ISP will support IPv4+ packets exactly as it is now, because
IPv4+ is based on the exact current IPv4 packet format. With the
needed roundtable - IPv4+ will be deployed in the whole internet and fast.
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*From:*NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of David Hubbard
<dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:44 PM
*To:* NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
*Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
It just keeps getting dumber by the minute. My home ISP hasn’t even
updated firmware to one that supports v6, but yeah, they’re surely
going to update to your Frankenstein ipv4 because you’re going to give
them a taste of addresses from the nightmare pool that will reach even
less of the internet than v6.
*From: *NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of Elad Cohen
<e...@netstyle.io>
*Date: *Wednesday, May 13, 2020 at 3:41 PM
*To: *Mikael Abrahamsson <swm...@swm.pp.se>
*Cc: *NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
*Subject: *Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
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/Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every*
socket-speaking application in the world?/
----
Every internet host that will want to speak IPv4+ , will have an
update (for example through the operating systems automatic updates
mechanisms)
----
/It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to
support
IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help
deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line./
----
I wrote about the usage of a roundtable in order to implement
everything fast (the roundtable will include one representative from
each of the operating system vendors, one representative from each of
the routing equipment manufacturers and one representative from each
of the 5 RIR's), if I will be elected to RIPE board I will do
everything in my power so this roundtable will be formed fast and that
the needed updates will be created fast. Each party in the roundtable
will receive an amount of free IPv4 addresses from the new IPv4+ pool,
and each ASN will also receive for example a /21 , home-routers and
home-modems will not be needed to be updated and they will support IPv4+.
----
/You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to
touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc./
----
There is an adjustment to IPv4+ that the format of addresses will not
be [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 - but it will be
[256-511].[0-255].[0-255].[0-255]
So IPv4+ addresses will be in the format of IPv4 addresses - it will
end-user adoption of IPv4+ easier and also integration in the
applicative layer easier (as application developers will only need to
set that the first number can be higher instead to support a new
format of [0-655365].[0-655365]v4 )
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*From:*Mikael Abrahamsson <swm...@swm.pp.se>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 13, 2020 10:22 PM
*To:* Elad Cohen <e...@netstyle.io>
*Cc:* Brielle <br...@2mbit.com>; NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
*Subject:* Re: RIPE NCC Executive Board election
On Wed, 13 May 2020, Elad Cohen wrote:
> LOL funny seeing you changing your mind by 180 degrees when someone you
> know in the community writing to you the exact same thing.
"In addition, the sockets API should be extended to support IPxl with a
new socket domain PF_IPXL which is identical to PF_INET in every respect
save that the IP addresses are 8 bytes long instead of 4."
Do you realise that this means you're requiring changing *every*
socket-speaking application in the world?
It's taken us decades to get applications to use the new struct to
support
IPv6+IPv4, resetting the timer back to 0 and starting over does not help
deployment. It just kicks it another 20 years down the line.
You're just inventing yet another incompatible standard and you have to
touch everything, DHCP, DNS all applications etc.
--
Mikael Abrahamsson email: swm...@swm.pp.se
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