* David T-G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Dec 05. 2001 21:33]:

> % I'm using GnuPG and some recipients' clients do not have the capability
> % to decipher PGP/MIME (see: Windows; TheBat!).
> 
> <ultimate_flame_war>Screw 'em!</ultimate_flame_war>

Flamewars aside, if you ever have to use Windows, TheBat! is actually an
exceptional MUA. (unless one wanted to use Mutt with Cygwin(sp?).)
 
> % * I've managed to be able to clear sign outbound messages using:
> %   macro compose \Cp "Fgpg --clearsign\ny" "PGP clearsign"
> %   (by the way, binding and using ^s causes mutt to freeze, forcing me 
> %   to kill it. Haven't the slightest clue why.)
> %   The signing works OK as well.
> 
> Ick.  That is one way to do it, and is unfortunately necessary when using
> a charset other than us-ascii and perhaps when attaching a file
> (but that bit is untested), but doing it within mutt would be so much
> nicer.

I was reeeally hoping the HOW-TO's were going to say, "oh yeah, that's
eeeasy." :-) The manual says clear signing is seriously depreciated, but
there are a ton of people out there unfamiliar with PGP/MIME. That makes
me wonder why the author(s) of Mutt didn't go ahead and add in support
for clear signing that's on par with its PGP/MIME ease of use.

> I have had wonderful success with the stock $pgp_create_traditional and
> the patch-supplied $pgp_outlook_compat settings; when both are "yes",
> even LookOut! users can read and reply to my signed mail.

I'd have to figure out how to patch a source deb and rebuild it. I've
never done that before, but..
 
> % Now, I keep seeing references to a pgp-menu function in various HOW-TO
> % texts. According to my mutt, there is no such thing. I can't seem to
> % find decent newbie intructions on how to encrypt messages without using
> % PGP/MIME (or, prompting me for a choice, for example).
> 
> You initiate a message, supply your recipient and subject information,
> edit it, and finish your composition.  You are then dropped into the
> compose menu, where you can send, edit, attach, or make pgp changes

OK, when you say "make pgp changes," what are you referring to? In the
PGP field, every time I send, I see "PGP: Clear" but it _never_ prompts
me for anything, and the mail is never sent signed. I expected it not to
be signed, however, because I have it set not to sign by default in my
dot files. Is there something wrong with my set-up if it's displaying
"PGP: Clear" every time I'm dropped to the compose menu (and of course
not signing it)?

> (or execute your macro from above).  When you hit 'p' from there,
> you enter the pgp menu; you can, IIRC, sign, sign as, encrypt, both,
> or forget it and send cleartext.

Hitting p from the compose menu is what I wasn't getting. LOL If I think
about it for a while, I realize how silly that is for me to overlook
that.
 
> % I'm using vim for my editor, and I can't seem to figure out how to
> % encrypt (Non-PGP/MIME) only the body of the message and be able to
> % pick a recipient's key to encrypt to.
> 
> I'd do it from mutt rather than vim; mutt knows how to pass the recipient
> info off.

Yep, but hittin p from the compose menu is going to drop back to
PGP/MIME, AFAIK, right?
 
> % I'm basically looking for tips/suggestions to make my life easier,
> % if someone has any to offer.
> 
> You might try the archives, but signing and encryption come up a lot.  I
> haven't checked, but a query for "signing outlook" might be sufficient.

And off I go.. (again) ;-)

Thanks again, David.

-- 
 -Brian Clark

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