On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 05:48:13PM +0000, Rui Miguel Silva Seabra wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2008 at 12:05:37PM -0500, Stuart VanZee wrote:
> > Wow... it is incredibly telling that you chose a game, a pretty
> > obscure one at that as far as I can tell, to base your argument on.
> >
> > The world will fall because OpenBSD "recommends" that people
> > install a game... a game that is free to copy and use for non-
> > commercial use (I looked it up), and you had to go through almost
> > the ENTIRE package collection all the way to the Zs before you
> > could find such a pitiful example.
> 
> Because they are such pitiful cases, they could be easily removed and
> remove Stallman's objections to list OpenBSD at the recommended Free
> Software operating systems, right? More promotion of OpenBSD would be
> good, right?

His recommendation is as empty as his ideals.  They are "Free" from any
rational thought.

More promotion for OpenBSD is only good if it benefits the project.
Having a bunch of morons show up is not a goal.  We aren't after
conquering the world unlike some other projects.

> 
> Stopping this childish-tantrum regarding the FSF would also be very much
> more productive.

It would be nice if people would stop defending non defensible
hypocritical positions.  His arguments are a misleading hyperbole.

> 
> > This discussion all started because Mr. Stallman very publicly
> > stated that OpenBSD was non-free and distributed non-free software
> > in it's ports tree. 
> 
> He didn't say OpenBSD was non-free, but that it distributed non-free
> Software.

Which is inaccurate.

> 
> Looking at
> ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/4.2/packages/i386/zangband-2.6.2p1.tgz
> 
> ... seems to me pretty a pretty clear case.
> 
> > I am pretty sure he had no knowledge of
> > zangband and it's non-free license.  He was talking about non-free
> > software in the ports tree.
> 
> BTW, I think he was (as I frequently happen to by "abuse of language")
> referring to the packages site, e.g.:
> 
> http://www.openbsd.org/4.2_packages/i386.html
> 
> Best,
> Rui
> 
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