Jacob Yocom-Piatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >
> >> M$ is notoriously crappy when it comes to VPN software, IMO. openvpn is 
> >> probably
> >
> >I really wish people would stop advocating this garbage on our mailing lists.
> >
> 
> i really wish people wouldn't be such pricks on misc@ ...

So stop then.

> given a completely free hand, i would NEVER use windows machines for anything
> remotely important. however, i have been forced to interoperate with M$ users
> who could not get the "native" IPsec to work to their satisfaction and openvpn
> is a viable solution in this case.

No, its avoiding the problem, not solving it.  If you like openvpn that's
up to you.  But its not a solution to getting ipsec between openbsd and
windows, and it is annoying to see it constantly offered here.

> a solution involving M$, is IMO no solution at all, merely another example of
> turd polishing. since many peoples' brains are too limited in their 
> flexibility,
> turd polishing is a painful reality when dealing with diverse computer users.

The problem involves microsoft, not the solution.  Adding a non-standard
and frankly rather crappy VPN is not going to magically take the dreaded
microsoft away.  Nice work with the "M$" nonsense though, I'm sure all
of slashdot is proud of you.

Adam

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