---- Original message ----
>Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 22:57:23 -0500
>From: Adam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
>Subject: Re: ipsec vpn  
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Cc: misc@openbsd.org
>
>Jacob Yocom-Piatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >> M$ is notoriously crappy when it comes to VPN software, IMO. openvpn is
probably
>> >
>> >I really wish people would stop advocating this garbage on our mailing 
>> >lists.
>> >
>> 
>> i really wish people wouldn't be such pricks on misc@ ...
>
>So stop then.
>

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The Ouroboros of Adam Montague

the trollmaster has emerged from under his pathetic bridge to again extort his
toll with senseless passive aggression. "what is it this time?" asks the usually
reasonable traveller of the wretched viaduct lurker. "it's like the time i
flipped out about ruby on rails, when i couldn't STFU because it's unacceptable
to me that anybody could possibly use solution X when solution Y works best for
me. that means it is the best!" howled the troll. the traveller was confused for
a moment then continued "different people find different solutions to the same
problem, like schwinger and feynman, but to deny that they are both solutions is
absurd".

>> given a completely free hand, i would NEVER use windows machines for anything
>> remotely important. however, i have been forced to interoperate with M$ users
>> who could not get the "native" IPsec to work to their satisfaction and 
>> openvpn
>> is a viable solution in this case.
>
>No, its avoiding the problem, not solving it.  If you like openvpn that's
>up to you.  But its not a solution to getting ipsec between openbsd and
>windows, and it is annoying to see it constantly offered here.
>

the fetid garbage-eating beast paused in thought for a moment and the traveller
knew this was his moment to escape before the troll would tear him limb from
limb for his insolence. he screamed and pointed behind the troll "oh my god, is
that ruby on rails?!?" driving the beast into a rage. immediately thereafter the
wayfarer slipped by sans toll.

>> a solution involving M$, is IMO no solution at all, merely another example of
>> turd polishing. since many peoples' brains are too limited in their 
>> flexibility,
>> turd polishing is a painful reality when dealing with diverse computer users.
>
>The problem involves microsoft, not the solution.  Adding a non-standard
>and frankly rather crappy VPN is not going to magically take the dreaded
>microsoft away.  Nice work with the "M$" nonsense though, I'm sure all
>of slashdot is proud of you.
>

the traveller thought he had escaped and made camp well away from where he had
evaded the trollmaster. exhausted from the day's journey, he drifted to sleep
after a few puffs from his pipe in front of the fire. he awoke in a panic and
heard the leaves rustling entirely too close to his head. a roar accompanied the
sensation of something gripping his face, one slimy hand squeezing his mouth
open, the other pulling something out of the troll's purple velvet evening
handbag. the traveller went into shock, felt small flat objects enter his mouth
and the beast laughed heartily. "how do you like that, eh?" asked the troll. the
traveller spat and he saw those little magnetic words that people have on their
refrigerators come out of his mouth. "you put words in my mouth?" queried the
man and the monster replied "you betcha!".

once he safely arrived in a nearby town after this harrowing experience the
wayfarer whipped up a posse to chase down and kill the twisted extortionist. in
no time they found the unapologetic ignorant troll and cut him limb from limb
with their sharp blades. the monster was reduced to a twitching mess of body
parts, but those of us who played D&D know that trolls regenerate and will
likely be really annoying all over again.

>Adam

feel free to cut this out, making sure to paste or tape the <--A--> sections
together. do NOT make a twist since that could possibly imply that there is
indeed only one side to this story.

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