On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 03:17:39PM -0400, marrandy wrote: > On Sunday 01 October 2006 12:14, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > I believe that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is another person who > > is involved. > > > > These people will try to tell you that "there are parts of the > > firmware that Intel does not own". They'll say that positively about > > two of the firmwares, and want you believe that is the case for all > > three. Then you can read the distribution agreement that they want > > open source vendors to sign, because I just can't figure out how to > > tie "Intel does not own all of the stuff in the firmware" to "we > > must take these specific rights that we list away from you".
> Hello Theo (and all the list users). > > You know, this has been an ongoing issue for years. Keeps on coming up on > the > list every 3 or 4 months and the result is the same. > > As far as I am concerned, yes we can email and complain, but they are so > arrogant that nothing will change. But Hifn released documentation within a couple of days of the start of a campaign like this. Of course, Intel is no Hifn, and Adaptec never listened - but still... > Why don'y we just :- > > 1) Not buy any more intel products > > 2) List products from manufacturers that do help us > > 3) Tell everyone ref 1) and 2) > > 4) Instead of continuing emailing intel, email all the other opensource > projects sharing the experience and suggest to them that they follow the same > as above ie. 1), 2) and 3). I've personally seen this on slashdot and digg, and I've not looked particularly hard. Quite a few people have seen it by now. > 5) yes, people can still email intel, but just like adaptek, personally, I > think it's a waste of time. they are too big and too 'full of themselves' > to care. There are plenty of competing products around. Why should we beat > ourselves up on this. > > I'm a consumer (whether it is business or personal is irrelevent). I pay for > products. I can take my business, and my money, elsewhere. > > I want to know from the OpenBSD community, which products are best supported, > which are the best (less cpu load, more bandwidth ie. more efficient etc.). vendorwatch.org is for this kind of stuff. > I am really not interested in intel, adaptek and their games anymore. > > I am interested in SATA syatems for low-level use and SAS (Serial attached > SCSI) for high level use using OpenBSD and other open systems so I want to > know about good and bad motherboards, RAID cards, hard drives etc. > > I'm surprised the drivers haven't been withdrawn from the CVS yet. Nah, unlike the Adaptec drivers, they work quite well. Joachim