On Wed, 2023-09-13 at 07:23 +1000, David wrote: > On Mon, 2023-09-11 at 23:21 -0700, Eric Demer wrote: > > > > (I am considering getting a laptop with openBSD, but have > > > > not yet done so, which is why I can't easily check on my own.) > > > > > > > > Does openBSD come with a web browser? > > > > The "the FAQ and" parts of https://www.openbsd.org/mail.html > > > > suggest that it does, but I haven't found any more > > > > detail regarding this at https://www.openbsd.org/ . > > > > > > Quite frankly, if you're incapable of using one, I'd steer clear. > > > The answer to this is the result of a very basic web search. > > > Cheers! > > > > > > > > Perhaps I should steer clear anyway, but what's probably > > the reason I didn't find that answer may change things. > > > > Specifically, do you find that information with a basic web search > > while using none of Stackexchange , Reddit , Youtube , Google ? > > I use Duckduckgo. > Yes, a search engine is required. > > I often find information of value in all the above mentioned sources, > along with a substantial level of crap. > Welcome to the freedom of the Internet. > Long may it rain on us. > > > For the reasons explained in the following paragraphs, I am > > not willing to use those four sites. I still got into results > > saying > > that one _can easily install_ Firefox on openBSD, and remember at > > least one result saying that some people _use_ Lynx _on_ it, but > > those > > didn't address whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. > > $ grep _flags /etc/rc.conf | cut -d '_' -f 1
Oh, and as an aside, I don't even have OpenBSD installed yet. I'm just a lurker on the list. I got the above off a site I discovered on Duckduckgo. I have no idea what the `Terms' are. If you feel the investment in time is worth it, you can do that for yourself. https://dataswamp.org/~solene/2021-02-16-openbsd-base-services.html > > I did go into results saying that one _can easily install_ > > Firefox on openBSD, and remember at least one result saying > > that some people _use_ Lynx _on_ it, but those didn't > > address whether there's one that comes _already_ installed. > > The other search results (from using duckduckgo) I found > > that mentioned openBSD - as opposed to just freeBSD - > > were all from stackexchange and reddit and youtube. > > > > I left Stackexchange when it adopted Terms according to which, > > them changing those terms other than the arbitration clause > > as I am scrolling a page on their site would result in > > me being bound by whatever they changed the Terms to. > > Since the trigger for those Terms was something like, > > using their Network in any way, I have never intentionally > > gone back there, and have left immediately when I've > > accidentally when I've accidentally gone back there. > > (In particular, if they no longer have > > such Terms then I don't know that.) > > Stackexchange is an excellent source. > I'm a regular part of the LaTeX mob there. > Play a minor role in other categories. > > > My brief search for Reddit's Terms brought up Reddit > > result previews suggesting that Reddit's Terms are also > > such that according to them, using their site to view > > their terms would constitute acceptance of those terms. > > Furthermore, according to > > https://github.com/OpenTermsArchive/contrib-versions > > /blob/main/Reddit/Terms%20of%20Service.md > > , the changes provision in Reddit's Terms manages > > to be even worse than that of Stackexchange's Terms: > > Its change-acceptance is from access to or use of "the Services on > > or > > after the Effective Date of the revised Terms", and it does not say > > the Effective Date can't be _before_ the revised Terms were posted. > > > > Youtube's Terms are better, but (0) it's Google, and > > (1) the "launch a new product or feature" exception is > > merely a timing restriction: It's not limited to changes > > that have anything else to do with the new product or feature. > > Google's Terms seem to have the same changes provision. > > If you spent as much time chasing down the information you need > rather > than being obsessed with `Terms', you would have had your answers > some > considerable time ago. > It's information you're after. > There will always be `Terms' involved with any level of social > interaction. > Cheers! > -- `One day, the great European war will come out of some damned foolish thing in the Balkans'. -- Otto von Bismarck (1888)
