Sorry Graham, I do have provenance for all of mine.
Anne Black
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On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 04:27:21 PM MDT, Graham Ensor via
Meteorite-list <[email protected]> wrote:
just an addition...an example.
Would people buy one of these Allende meteorites or similar from other dealers
pages which I think we are all pretty confident are Allende's...but I'm pretty
sure these were just fond in the same strewnfield and have not been analysed to
make sure.
https://impactika.com/product/allende-carbonaceous/
Graham
On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 4:46 PM Rhett Bourland <[email protected]> wrote:
Honestly, just because a meteorite is found in a known strewn field doesn't
automatically make it part of the same fall. Twink Monrad found Golden Rule
and Golden Mile in the Gold Basin strewn field. Calcalong Creek was originally
sold as part of the Camel Donga strew field. NWA482 was originally thought to
be a eucrite. The folks who go to Antarctica each year go back to the same
areas to find more because of the way glaciers move.
When talking about how not getting everything classified is bad for science,
that isn't just about common material being sold as something much rarer. The
real danger is rare and scientifically important pieces being sold as something
more common.
On Tue, Jul 23, 2024, 10:22 AM Graham Ensor <[email protected]> wrote:
I see no problem in anybody saying a probable meteorite is unclassified but is
likely to be a certain type. It is no different on line or throught the met
list than traveling through Morocco or visiting a show, looking at hundreds of
unclassified probable meteorites, and discussing the likelyhood of that or what
type they may be with the seller. That's the way many dealers work to find
unusual types that then get taken further to be officially classified. I see no
fault with a NWA seller working in this way. The The fault comes if buyer does
not then get it analysed or classified and tries to sell it on as an authentic
classified meteorite. There are also thousands of meteorites amongst the
hundreds of collections that came through NWA dealers from established large
strewnfields which sit there as examples of a variety of falls/finds and have
never been cut and classified. Just found as part of a new fall/find as it's
impossible for every piece to be classified....examples are Chelyabinsk,
Ribbeck, Erg Chech 002, Tissint, Holbrook,...the list is endless. I suspect
very few collections consist of specimens where each individual has been
classified and most have individuals of those I've mentioned (or others) that
have never seen a scientist. If you are new to meteorites or have very little
experience then this is probably not the avenue for you to buy for a collection
unless you are happy to go to the trouble of getting analysis done.
G
On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 2:32 PM Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list
<[email protected]> wrote:
Educated guesses aren't classifications. Nobody can do that. I've got close
to a couple hundred pieces in my collection that I've built up over the past 25
years. I own classes of meteorites that most museums don't even have because
the museums that I got them from told me where the other pieces were. I can
safely say that I have handled and seen even more in that time. The IMCA got
started in my living room. I wouldn't even call something a meteorite unless it
got tested. As Anne Black recently said, people guessing what they have and
presenting it as such is nothing but harmful for the science and commercial
trade of these rocks and that woman has seen and handled stuff that I can only
dream of.
On Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 3:37 PM <[email protected]> wrote:
Rhett,
Our North African meteorite family has earned the right to make educated
guesses, especially after they have proven themselves to be reputable dealers
AND have examined the specimen. They have handled far more meteorites than most
dealers and collectors. There is no surprise that they, and Mohamed in
particular, can tell the difference between a CO and another type of meteorite.
Mohamed was fully transparent and clearly stated that it is unclassified. There
is nothing inauthentic about the posting.
I have no ulterior motive in responding to this post other than desiring
respectful discourse.
Sincerely,
Mendy
From: Meteorite-list <[email protected]> On Behalf Of
Rhett Bourland via Meteorite-list
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2024 9:53 AM
To: Benzaki Mohamed <[email protected]>
Cc: Meteorite List <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite unclassified
It's unclassified and yet you're calling it a CO? That doesn't sound very
authentic to me.
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024, 10:17 AM Benzaki Mohamed via Meteorite-list
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi all members hop have a good day.
Everyone interested will be interested by a largeste co carbonaceous
unclassified please contacte me.all beste.
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