So John is telling us it is cool to chill with the genocidal Democratic candidates because they may be easier to influence than the genocidal Republican candidate why? Because the genocidal Republicans favor Russian imperialism over the Ukrainian proxy for isolationist and investment reasons and will continue to back the Zionist project. Whereas the Democrats will back the Zionist led genocide and continue to fund the meat grinder of Ukraine down to the last Ukrainian. John is a state department ‘socialist’ and Jill is a Kremlin ‘socialist’, both are social imperialists the likes of which drove Lenin into outrage in 1914. The workers need their own anti imperialist fighting labor party not a third party or a caucus in any of the capitalist parties which sides with one imperialist bloc over the other. This is an epoch of inter imperialist conflict those who stack their imperialism’s and rank choice them are roadblocks to proletarian independence and are enemies of socialist revolution. On Tuesday, July 23, 2024, 2:17 PM, Avram Rips <mltbar...@gmail.com> wrote:
Chill with pro colonization of Ukraine by Russia Stein and West I don’t think so. On Tuesday, July 23, 2024, abraham Weizfeld PhD via groups.io <eibieman=gmail....@groups.io> wrote: Try telling the Palestinians in Ghaza about how much better a Democratic Party Presidency would be than a Republican Party is not doable If Harris is feeling the pressure of the Palestinian solidarity movement then fine, so will any other President. What is important is not the election but the movement and its force. However, there is an alternative, one that will present an actual principled programme, got arrested for saying it out load at a demo and won’t sacrifice her position for the sake of a plum appointment, like Bernie Sanders. Dr Jill Stein is also a Jewish Anti-Zionist. So chill with Jill, or Dr Cornel West. The strategy is to break down the US electoral 2-party schema. If neither party wins a majority, due to alternative voting of 2-5%, then neither can claim to represent the US Peoples as a whole. As such the façade of democracy melts away to reveal class antagonism and national chauvinism which require the national-cultural autonomy of all national minorities. This is the Bundist constitutional methodology. Dr abrahim From: marxmail@groups.io <marxmail@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Reimann via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2024 11:35 AM To: Marxmail <marxmail@groups.io> Subject: [marxmail] Don't support Jill Stein for president: a reply to Howie Hawkins While any serious person is horrified at the prospect of a Trump/Vance presidency, some on the left are actually arguing that it won’t make that much of a difference. One would think that these people don’t matter, but they do. For one thing, even a swing of one or two percent in the vote in a few key states can determine who gets elected. In the second place, it’s impossible to build a real resistance to MAGA if we don’t really understand or underestimate its threat. A recent article in New Politics is an example of the twisted thinking of much of the left. The article is by Howie Hawkins, who was a founding member of the Green Party and that party’s candidate for president in 2020. Hawkins argues that socialists should support the Green Party’s Jill Stein in 2024 rather than vote to keep Trump out. Hawkins basically makes three arguments: First, that Jill Stein’s candidacy won’t help Trump get elected because those who will vote for Stein wouldn’t vote for Biden (now Harris) anyway; second that it doesn’t make that much difference whether Trump or Biden/Harris is elected; and third that Stein’s apologies for Putin in and of themself don’t disqualify her for any consideration. (Note: The same points made below also apply to the West/Abdullah presidential campaign.) Let’s consider these questions one-by-one: https://oaklandsocialist.com/ 2024/07/23/dont-support-jill- stein-a-reply-to-howie- hawkins/ -- “Science and socialism go hand-in-hand.” Felicity Dowling Check out:https:http:// oaklandsocialist.com also on Facebook -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#31278): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/31278 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/107506784/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. #4 Do not exceed five posts a day. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
