On Mon, Mar 1, 2021 at 01:18 PM, Ken Hiebert wrote: > > > Roger Kulp quotes fkalosar101: > Castro shot a lot of people. He said they were murderers and probably > most of them were. Then again "mistakes were [inevitably] made." But this > is the third rail of revolution--you can't live with insurrection and you > can't live without it and you can't have insurrection without firing > squads and prison camps, especially when you are confronted by state > violence, which utterly dwarfs the violence of the NRA and the rest of the > sinister creeps on display in DC on 1/6and > > Roger Kulp goes on to comment: > I hope this comment doesn't get me banned,but should a country ever get to > the point of a communist,or worker's revolution,prison camps or > eradication of the capialist class may be needed.For the squeamish among > you,the less violent option would be succession along idelogical > parameters,one I strongly support.I would like nothing more,than to see > the US broken up into multiple countries,with one nation being a dedicated > communist/socialist worker's state,where the capitalist class would be > banished,and their assets taken over by the state,or distributed among the > working class.While many on the left disparage so-called "state > capitalism",I believe state ownership of assets,like internet and energy > utilities,and even food manufacturers,is preferable over private > ownership. > > Ken Hiebert replies: > I thought it was perhaps wise to let the comment by fkalosar101 pass. > But since Roger Kulp has commented, I’ll add my own. > > First, I have no idea who fkalosar101 is and I won’t be surprised to learn > that no one on the list knows who he or she is. It seems to me that the > comment was posted will ill intent, for the purpose of discrediting and > isolating this list. > > And in response to Roger Kulp, whatever the original history of the > Russian Revolution, it is fair to say that Stalinist repression fell > heavily on workers and peasants. Is there anyone else on the planet who > killed more Communists? Never mind the majority of the Bolshevik Central > Committee of 1917. Even the majority of delegates to the 1934 congress of > the CPSU fell afoul of Stalin in one way or another. > >
Nothing discredits "this list" more than this kind of disingenuous and cowardly smear tactic by soft and tenured irrelevancies who are long past their sell-by dates. I repeat, the topic of insurrection is linked by thousands of years of history to the concept of revolution. This goes back at least as far as the second conspiracy of Catilina. If you are opposed to revolution, by all means say so. Otherwise, in one way or another, it is disingenuous to pretend that there is no relevance here. In any case, exactly in what way is "this list" discredited? If Castro is relevant, insurrection is relevant, since Castro's revolutionism was initially entirely insurrectionist. I myself am of course opposed to insurrectionism. This does not mean the topic is historically irrelevant. Clarify your position on Castro or shut the fuck up. > > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#6864): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/6864 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/80900386/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTES #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. -=-=- Group Owner: marxmail+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/marxmail/leave/8674936/21656/1316126222/xyzzy [arch...@mail-archive.com] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
