On Tue, 7 Jan 2025, Louis via mailop wrote:
Hi Andrew,
We seem to be talking about entirely different things. Everyone was
talking about having Gmail fetch messages from your server, you seem
to be talking about the opposite?
Not really. I would like GMail to fetch from me in the same way that
they want me to fetch from them.
The ASP I was talking about
I had assumed that you didn't mean active server pages but now I am not so sure.
would be something to be managed entirely on your side, because
Gmail would be fetching from your server in this scenario.
I can't tell you what that would look like, as I don't manage your
servers :). The most common setup for smaller servers is of course a
single account password, and no ASP support.
I would not be happy letting GMail collect mail from me using a method
that I cannot use to collect from them.
You can implement a pop3 fetcher if you want.
Gmail has ASPs implemented, and you can use them with pop3:
https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/185833
Or you could implement an IMAP fetcher with OAuth for better UX than
the user having to create an ASP, but it's not strictly necessary.
I understand that there are ways to alert servers where to look for
the details they need to use OAuth, but I have seen a dozen
"standards" and I don't even know whether GMail uses any of them.
I fully support Googles on enforcing ASPs or OAuth, I just wish they
made this option much more visible.
But of course making it more visible doesn't suit their interests.
So I suppose I half support their enforcement.
L. Mark Stone not allowing forwarding is a choice, it's not one I would make,
but it's a perfectly fine choice that I assume they made based on the context
they operate their servers in.
Hope that clears up everything from my end!
--
Andrew C. Aitchison Kendal, UK
and...@aitchison.me.uk
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