In the past uceprotect for listings on sending to spam traps made the
bounce message clear with a 5xx bounce. Rather than accepting the email,
it is a hard bounce with a message that it is detected as spam, or will
be added to a blocklist. There should be few to no false positives on
their spamtraps. If it is scanning related that is much more inaccurate
because beyond portscanning, stricter tcp verification during a dos
attack, syncookies etc will show up on uceprotect1.
On 12/18/2024 2:00 PM, Scott Q. via mailop wrote:
And I'd be perfectly fine with that approach if it were applied
equally to everyone. But it's not, rather what ended up happening is
that most blocklists went into uselessness because they started
blocking Gmail/MS365 who _do_ send out large amounts of Spam. So they
could either block them and everyone would hate them, or not block
them, and everyone would hate them as well...
Tough cookie.
On Wednesday, 18/12/2024 at 12:24 Anne P. Mitchell, Esq. via mailop wrote:
> On Dec 18, 2024, at 5:10 AM, Atro Tossavainen via mailop
<mailop@mailop.org <mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:
>
>> Indeed, they could list the Message-ID on their website. That would
>> make it much easier.
>
> If spamtrap operators provided data unequivocally identifying the
> messages they had received that would simply out the spamtraps.
>
> It's kind of contrary to the intention.
>
> Speaking as a spamtrap operator.
To add to this, since time immemorial blocklists and spam trap
operators have taken the view that it's up to the sender to clean
up their mailing lists, opt-in levels, etc., it's not the
blocklists' job to help the sender - it's the sender's job to
tighten up their mailing practices which led to the listing (or in
the case of an ESP to tighten up policing their customers and
enforcing best practices).
I'm not saying whether that's right, wrong, or anything else. I'm
simply pointing out why blocklists aren't going to help senders
identify who their spammers are; and thus it has always been.
Anne
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Author: Section 6 of the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 (the Federal email
marketing law)
Creator of the term 'deliverability'; Co-Founder of the
deliverability industry
Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
Dean Emeritus, Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School
Counsel Emeritus, eMail Abuse Prevention System (MAPS)
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