On Wed, Oct 16, 2024 at 11:32 AM Slavko via mailop <mailop@mailop.org>
wrote:

> Dňa 16. októbra 2024 18:13:45 UTC používateľ Brandon Long via mailop <
> mailop@mailop.org> napísal:
>
> >The general theory is that a replay involves mail for a DKIM domain
> >coming from different sources/hops than it normally does.  Having spf/dkim
> >both align
> >is usually a good indication that a message is not a replay, so that can
> be
> >used to
> >protect the majority "good" traffic and have stronger rules against
> traffic
> >which doesn't
> >match.
>
> Yes, but having failed/not aligned SPF and success DKIM will be true for
> eg. all indirect flows, icluding google workspace's issue diskussed before.
> Or i miss something?
>

Well, two things, one, the vast majority of flows are direct, so
allowlisting them
can remove 90-99% of traffic from the replay spam rules.

Second, the majority of indirect flows also tend to be consistent.  This is
one of the
things that ARC could help with, establishing known/consistent flows and
the reputation of
them.  One could also establish a reputation on a spfdomain:dkimdomain
pair, or even looking
at regular volume for such pairs and then see that the volume of a pair is
inconsistent with
historical usage... or previously unknown.  Throttling incoming traffic
based on historical
usage can be effective as your learning system catches up or propagates in
the general case.

Brandon
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