Dnia 18.08.2024 o godz. 17:59:49 Richard Clayton via mailop pisze: > Note that this behaviour is also the correct way to handle actual spam > from spammers ... they have never sent anything that people wanted, yet > their mail is not so awful to be rejected out of hand so it goes into > the spam folder (albeit DEFER will reduce resource usage). > > Someone well respected round here advises "send email people have asked > for" ... those people find that in the spam folder, and thereafter (at > Yahoo anyway) further email from that sending address will go in the > inbox no matter what the machine learning system thinks overall.
It's not that simple. I had that exact problem with Google once. My messages were sent to spam no matter what. (I'm happy this issue is gone now, but it started out of nowhere and went away out of nowhere, so I can never be sure this won't happen again - but that's not the topic for now). One or two times it happened that Google started to exhibit this behavior in the middle of an email exchange. Ie. someone sent mail to me, I replied, someone sent a reply to my reply, I replied again etc... and at some moment my reply went to spam folder on the recipient's side. Despite the fact that we were in the middle of an email exchange and that person *was expecting* email from me, he *never looked* in his spam folder until I contacted him via phone and told him to check if he doesn't have an email from me in the spam folder. I observed the same behavior pattern with a few different people. Even if someone *is expecting* email from you, they usually *won't* look for it in the spam folder, unless you explicitly tell them to. Please note I'm talking here about "regular", ordinary email user who know little to nothing about computers. Someone who is more aware how spam filtering works will of course look into the spam folder. But an "average" user is absolutely convinced that they never have any reason to look there, since it's clearly labelled "spam" or "junk", so it simply *cannot* contain anything of interest, can it? Another time, even a first reply I sent to a message I got from a Google user was sent to spam. So I was virtually unable to reply to emails I got from Google users (and I got quite a few of them), because they didn't see my replies. Again, one could assume that if someone sends email to me, and specifically an email with a question they want answered, they *will expect* a reply and look for it even in the spam folder. Nope. (And no, pulling the message out of spam folder by the recipient, and replying to it, didn't solve the issue in my case. The following messages still went to spam.) -- Regards, Jaroslaw Rafa r...@rafa.eu.org -- "In a million years, when kids go to school, they're gonna know: once there was a Hushpuppy, and she lived with her daddy in the Bathtub." _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://list.mailop.org/listinfo/mailop
