On Mon, Jul 8, 2024 at 3:23 PM John Levine <jo...@taugh.com> wrote:
> It appears that Scott Mutter via mailop <mailopl...@amssupport.info> said: > >-=-=-=-=-=- > >-=-=-=-=-=- > > > >On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 7:54 AM Alessandro Vesely via mailop < > >In my opinion this is where the industry could use some oversight. As you > >say there is nothing to stop a large operator from blocking a small > >operator simply because they can. ... > > You really REALLY do not want to go there. There are a lot of spammers > who send mail that is 100% CAN-SPAM compliant. (It's not hard.) If a > big mailer has to deliver your mail, why don't they have to deliver > the spammer's mail, too? > > Apropos of Anne's comment, the CDA says providers can block material > they consider "obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, > harassing, or otherwise objectionable." Courts have repeatedly found > that otherwise objectionable includes spam filtering. > > R's, > John > Most of the comment about oversight was meant as tongue-in-cheek. But I do echo everything that Alessandro Vesely said. It's impossible for a small-time operator to get any traction with any of the too-big-to-fail mail service providers, they just simply don't care. I think that should be more publicly announced. When one of these too-big-to-fail mail service providers are blocking our IP address for no reason it should be more commonly understood that it's impossible to work with said too-big-to-fail mail service provider, they just simply don't care. And when email begins to be this walled off, it ceases to be useful. I'm not so much after the legality of blocking an IP. It's more the lack of remediation or timely remediation. And AT&T is a perfect example of this. They advertise abuse_...@abuse-att.net as the address to write with inquiries, but they never check this email address or never respond. Why even include it in the rejection message? The message might as well say: 553 5.3.0 alph749 DNSBL:RBL 521< 23.239.97.150 >_is_blocked. Neener, Neener, Neener! I do suspect that John Von Essen's opinion has some merit. I wish this information was posted on a trusted third party website. Something to point customers to when they complain about being unable to send mail to @ att.net email addresses. There's no telling what email those same @att.net users are not getting.
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