On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 7:26 PM Dan Mahoney <d...@prime.gushi.org> wrote:
> On Jun 16, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Brandon Long via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> > wrote: > > You should get a welcome message when a user direct subscribes you to a > group that should have an unsubscribe link in it. The welcome message part > of the flow that the group manager can set should be added to that message. > > > I have not gotten any welcome messages. But from what you say, there's no > opt-in required? No confirmation link? > I just created a new test group and added another of my email addresses to it during the creation flow via direct add. There was a captcha during the flow, and my second address received a welcome message. The welcome message contains the following: If you do not wish to be a member of this group you can send an email to listname+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com or follow this unsubscribe <https://groups.google.com/d/forum/listname/unsubscribe/AHZ7KVPykmf6m9O8VK6cTVqLzRsWM_i7OHxcjuQdCtaj1HzyIzIqhdMELmd6IxOU_Trk8EidHbR4Gsd05ecqzcTDyQSgMPMfJQ> link. If you believe this group may contain spam, you can also report the group for abuse. <https://groups.google.com/d/abuse/<encrypted-token>> For additional information see our help center <https://support.google.com/groups/answer/46601?hl=en>. If you do not wish to be added to Google Groups in the future you can opt out here <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. The opt-out link is https://groups.google.com/d/optout > > There are limits on how many people a group manager can add in this way, > it's really not an efficient way to spam a lot of people, but there do seem > to be some low level spammers who spend a lot of resources to spam very few > people, and our abuse systems play a lot of wack-a-mole with them. > > > There's a limit per-list perhaps, but they create multiple lists, and > they're not paying people US wages to do this nonsense. > Like everything else, there are limits and limits. There are limits on the number of groups a gmail user can create, and limits on creating gmail users, and it's turtles all the way down. The end result is not zero, though. > I no longer have any access to look at the abuse results for this group > or owner. And you can definitely report abuse on particular groups from > the web ui, and that is useful to us to learn and improve. > > > So any reports must be manual, and distinct from any other reporting > method I may have. You can do better. > Does any other reporting method you have involve authentication of the reporter? > I think that welcome message also has a link to the global settings, but > it has been years since I've worked on this. You can set the global > settings from the web ui: > https://support.google.com/groups/answer/9792489?hl=en&ref_topic=2458613 > That allows you to prevent group managers from inviting or directly adding > your email address to groups. > > > You're telling me I have to go create a google account for > free...@gushi.org (again, only for my work with that project), just to > stop it from being added to groups? > Or blackhole all mail from googlegroups to that account? What's the point of using these types of usage specific email accounts if not to be able to do that? Brandon
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