On 17/06/2022 3:46 pm, Noel Butler via mailop wrote:

On 17/06/2022 05:55, Brandon Long via mailop wrote:

You should get a welcome message when a user direct subscribes you to a group that should have an unsubscribe link in it.  The welcome message part of the flow that the group manager can set should be added to that message.


What the F, no confirmation?

if anyone adds me to any group and I do NOT get an email asking for confirmation - like the LAW in some countries requires (Australian law in my case), google will be treated like every other UBE sender, _blocked_ and the regulator will be notified, as this is a breach of the Spam Act in this country and as google has Australian offices the ACMA has jurisdiction to prosecute them.


I'd concur with your action should it occur, but it's not uncommon... Mailman Mass Subscription offers you the ability to do the same thing: (screenshot):


Above are my instance's default settings but I could select 'No' for welcome message and directly subscribe someone to one of my lists. I've actually done so, when migrating a mailing list between hosts.  With consent, is the main element (and here in New Zealand, I imagine the legal constraints are much like Australia's).

Turns out I still have admin rights to a Google Group, so I had a look, here's the relevant dialogue for adding people: (screenshot):

... so the bad guy has deliberately selected 'directly add members', which is valid functionality. The act of doing so without consent is what makes it illegal.

Good luck prosecuting :(

Does Google have the ability to at least 'score' groups (and their owners actions) based on negative reports ?

Not that it takes much to register another junk gmail.com address anonymously and start again I suppose...


Mark.


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