> On Jun 16, 2022, at 3:55 PM, Brandon Long via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> You should get a welcome message when a user direct subscribes you to a group 
> that should have an unsubscribe link in it.  The welcome message part of the 
> flow that the group manager can set should be added to that message.

I have not gotten any welcome messages.  But from what you say, there's no 
opt-in required?  No confirmation link?

> There are limits on how many people a group manager can add in this way, it's 
> really not an efficient way to spam a lot of people, but there do seem to be 
> some low level spammers who spend a lot of resources to spam very few people, 
> and our abuse systems play a lot of wack-a-mole with them.

There's a limit per-list perhaps, but they create multiple lists, and they're 
not paying people US wages to do this nonsense.

>   I no longer have any access to look at the abuse results for this group or 
> owner.   And you can definitely report abuse on particular groups from the 
> web ui, and that is useful to us to learn and improve.

So any reports must be manual, and distinct from any other reporting method I 
may have.  You can do better.

> I think that welcome message also has a link to the global settings, but it 
> has been years since I've worked on this.  You can set the global settings 
> from the web ui: 
> https://support.google.com/groups/answer/9792489?hl=en&ref_topic=2458613 
> <https://support.google.com/groups/answer/9792489?hl=en&ref_topic=2458613>
> That allows you to prevent group managers from inviting or directly adding 
> your email address to groups.

You're telling me I have to go create a google account for free...@gushi.org 
(again, only for my work with that project), just to stop it from being added 
to groups?  

This is insane.

-Dan

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