On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 15:39 -0400, John Levine via mailop wrote:
> It appears that Johann Klasek via mailop <
> klasek+mai...@zid.tuwien.ac.at> said:
> > the aim is, that everyone on the recipient site
> > is obligated to provide best possible reachability.
> 
> No, it's to deliver the mail that the users want. One point that bulk
> mailers often miss is that, while the recipients at large providers
> do not object to getting the bulk mail, they also do not really want
> it.

I am by no way a bulk mailer.  My server sends only legal documents and
invoice, all as PDF attachment and with no HTML or other eyecandy or
trackware.  And yet Microsoft's StupidWhatever(TM)  eats the mail
without notice to either recipient or sender.  How can the recipients
know that this is what they want?

On Tue, 2021-06-01 at 21:19 +0200, Johann Klasek via mailop wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 01, 2021 at 02:48:23PM -0400, John Levine via mailop
> wrote:
> > 
> > You should definitely demand a full refund of all the money you've
> > paid Microsoft to deliver your mail.
> > Oh, wait, ...
> 
> Sorry, I can't here this capitalistic sarcasm anymore

That reply has nothing to do with capitalism, and even as sarcasm it is
stale.

The capitalistic answer is to make the provider responsible / liable
for the damages caused by its non-reacheability.

It is plain wrong to substitute the provider's StupidWhatever(TM) whims
for the individual recipient's decision what is spam and how to deal
with it.  The individual recipient is the only person entitled to have
whims and to ignore incoming mail, at his own responsibility.

--
Yuval Levy, JD, MBA, CFA
Ontario-licensed lawyer


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