Not short, but certainly sweet: I don't care what method people devise to make sure that people don't get added to a mailing list without their consent, so long as it actually works. I don't care if they call it "sucking chest wound" so long as the process they adopt effectively prevents abuse. Dogma and jargon should never be more important than stopping spam.
http://www.pan-am.ca/spammyths/rants/27jul2002.html On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 at 10:31, Benjamin BILLON via mailop <mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > Is Email a democracy? If so, my vote is similar to what have been said > here, I say COI, customers say "what?", I reply "or you know, DOI", > customers say "ha yes, that". > > I prefer COI too, but apparently I don't have a _*that*_ big impact on > the world and people's mind (I guess I forgot something in my magic spell). > > > > Another reason why people, plebeian and even some elites, would more > easily say double opt-in instead of confirmed opt-in? That's not the opt-in > part: > > - ˈdə-bəlg > - kən-ˈfərmd > > > > One is more easy to pronounce than the other. > > > > Adding grist to the mill, we're seeing "email verification" services using > the same mechanism as COI/DOI, but with another purpose: _*confirming*_ > that the email address owner is the person who filled in the online form. > So yeah, it's not _*whatever*_ opt-in, but "email address ownership > confirmation". Or "validation?" That's probably worth another fight. > > > > -- > *Benjamin* > > > > *From:* mailop <mailop-boun...@mailop.org> *On Behalf Of *Tom Bartel via > mailop > *Sent:* lundi 26 août 2019 21:17 > *To:* Ralf Hildebrandt <ralf.hildebra...@charite.de> > *Cc:* mailop <mailop@mailop.org> > *Subject:* Re: [mailop] [ext] Re: Return Path / Sender Score > > > > I work at Return Path and I can't seem to find any references to > double-opt in on Sender Score site. LMK if you have a specific reference. > I agree with Matt V. though that DOI/COI interchangeable, though I prefer > COI. > > > > Tom > > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:37 PM Ralf Hildebrandt via mailop < > mailop@mailop.org> wrote: > > * Jay Hennigan via mailop <mailop@mailop.org>: > > > Spamspeak is alive and well on this very list. Witness the ongoing > > appearance of the spammer term "double opt-in" in recent posts instead of > > "confirmed opt-in". > > I'll rather use the term "confirmed opt-in" then :) > Also, it makes more sense, since the recipient has to confirm the > subscription. > > I was just using "double opt in", since that's what senderscore et.al. > use on their pages. > > -- > Ralf Hildebrandt Charite Universitätsmedizin Berlin > ralf.hildebra...@charite.de Campus Benjamin Franklin > https://www.charite.de Hindenburgdamm 30, 12203 Berlin > Geschäftsbereich IT, Abt. Netzwerk fon: +49-30-450.570.155 > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > > > > -- > > Phone: 303.517.9655 > > Twitter: @barteltom > > Instagram: https://instagram.com/bartel_photo > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > -- Deliverability & Abuse Management, www.webpower-group.com ewald.kess...@webpower.nl t: +31 342 423 262 li: www.linkedin.com/in/ewaldkessler
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