Hi Emre, Some thoughts from me, I imagine a lot of people from the sender community are lurking on this list, but it seems to me that for most of them the initial hiccup of new errors from Microsoft because of the switch from the “old” Hotmail infrastructure to the “new” Office365 one got solved.
And then we have this new error code that has a 4.5.x and a 4.7.x in it and we also know that Gmails and Yahoos approach to tip somebody, to look at the quality of the traffic is also via sending 4xx errors. So perhaps the fact that you still getting these errors and the fact that Microsoft support does not answer anymore, is based on that quality of your traffic? At least for me, one of the first rules I learned was, always clean your own backyard before complaining and never threat someone who can help you. So even if you are 100% sure, that your traffic is not only legal but also appreciated by the recipients with their mailboxes at Microsoft. Would it really hurt you to double check again and perhaps be a little more picky then last time? Von: mailop [mailto:mailop-boun...@mailop.org] Im Auftrag von Emre Üst |euro.message| Gesendet: Thursday, November 9, 2017 21:45 An: Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com> Cc: Maarten Oelering <maar...@postmastery.net>; Benjamin BILLON <bbillon...@splio.fr>; mailop@mailop.org Betreff: Re: [mailop] Hotmail and 4.5.1 4.7.500 Server Busy with some Hello Michael , Your support team no longer answers the tickets. We still keep getting the 4xx error as server busy. When will a legal explanation come from Hotmail (or Microsoft)? Thank you On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com<mailto:michael.w...@microsoft.com>> wrote: The AS codes are internal IDs, and are not ASNs. Each one means something different. Conflating the different codes is pretty much the same as saying, "My Mail Was Blocked!" It's not overly helpful in diagnosing the issue. Again, open a ticket; it's the only wat to get visibility on general issues. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=614866&clcid Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool<http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=18275> ? From: Maarten Oelering [mailto:maar...@postmastery.net<mailto:maar...@postmastery.net>] Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 12:22 AM To: Benjamin BILLON <bbillon...@splio.fr<mailto:bbillon...@splio.fr>> Cc: "Emre Üst |euro.message|" <emre....@euromsg.com<mailto:emre....@euromsg.com>>; mailop@mailop.org<mailto:mailop@mailop.org>; Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com<mailto:michael.w...@microsoft.com>> Subject: Re: [mailop] Hotmail and 4.5.1 4.7.500 Server Busy with some We are seeing this error on specific sender IPs. So “Server busy” may be intentionally and dependent on the sender. There are also many versions of this error, with at least 6 different AS codes. Some occur after MAIL FROM, some occur after RCPT TO, and some occur after DATA. Previously Hotmail said something like “We have limits for how many messages can be sent per hour and per day”. Very useful, you knew that reputation was the issue. Now we just see “Server busy” with an internal code, and we have to guess what’s wrong. It would be helpful to know more about these AS codes. Or at least which ones are sender issues and which ones receiver issues. This will also relieve Microsoft support I guess. Maarten Oelering Postmastery On 3 Nov 2017, at 07:49, Benjamin BILLON via mailop <mailop@mailop.org<mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote: Sorry to interrupt, I just have a suggestion that maybe Michael could forward internally: there used to have a Status page for various Microsoft services, it either moved to some secret place or was removed. There's now a page for Office365 clients (however being myself client the page generates an asp error, but that's not the purpose of my message). Could there be such a page somewhere again? If there are issues, just being aware of them will already help ESPs and senders to 1) be patient and 2) show to their clients or boss that yes, it happens, ISPs can have outages or problems too. I have no idea what format it would take, probably a "working / not working" flag wouldn't be very useful, unless it's service by service (but I don't think MS would disclose such level of details). Knowing if it's geographically limited could be interesting to. Is it a realistic suggestion, or should I put this dream in the shredder? Cheers, -- Benjamin 2017-11-03 14:19 GMT+08:00 Emre Üst |euro.message| <emre....@euromsg.com<mailto:emre....@euromsg.com>>: Hi Michael, Yes we are still seeing same code . 2017-11-03 09:17:02 "451 4.7.500 Server busy. Please try again later from []. (AS3110)" received from hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com%2F&data=02%7C01%7CMichael.Wise%40microsoft.com%7C9bdf992d777c4d59babf08d5228b97b1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636452905315563012&sdata=mv7S03krs60%2FCygAHKOTA5aT0vXCnyA4mvGLC8OmXYc%3D&reserved=0> (104.47.5.33) matching /451 4.7.500 Server busy/ We cant send even 1000 mails to Hotmail per day . Thank you On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:13 AM, Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com<mailto:michael.w...@microsoft.com>> wrote: This may be related to an incident a few days ago. Are you still seeing the 4xx retry results? Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.microsoft.com%2Fen-us%2Fdownload%2Fdetails.aspx%3Fid%3D18275&data=02%7C01%7CMichael.Wise%40microsoft.com%7C9bdf992d777c4d59babf08d5228b97b1%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636452905315563012&sdata=Af6ODQb%2F2iF8YsyDkmu4cl3rUUrbXL0Z2OG2XwHSAQM%3D&reserved=0> ? From: Emre Üst |euro.message| [mailto:emre....@euromsg.com<mailto:emre....@euromsg.com>] Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 1:05 PM To: Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com<mailto:michael.w...@microsoft.com>> Cc: mailop@mailop.org<mailto:mailop@mailop.org> Subject: Re: [mailop] Hotmail and 4.5.1 4.7.500 Server Busy with some Hi Michael , Unfortunately , it doesnt work . Outlook Support team said that there is not blocking on their side . Although the ips are Returnpath certified. Sometimes we also get 421 RP-001 (BAY004-MC2F28) errors. But mostly 451 4.7.500 Server busy. Meanwhile, on snds I see that there is a lot of difference between the number of RCPT fields and Message recipientss. For Exp. RCPT commands 111829 DATA commands 106093 Message recipients 1215 Thank you On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 10:18 PM, Michael Wise <michael.w...@microsoft.com<mailto:michael.w...@microsoft.com>> wrote: Please open a ticket. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=614866&clcid<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkID%3D614866%26clcid&data=02%7C01%7CMichael.Wise%40microsoft.com%7C2f4782c55b2f40a5ef4208d5222d0ad3%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636452499220192627&sdata=HbSg8Akc%2Bgzia7rHrKlJdRYe39MdC%2BmbpA95OGbvLqo%3D&reserved=0> Aloha, Michael. -- Michael J Wise Microsoft Corporation| Spam Analysis "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed." 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