Oh, you were responding to a comment about some registrars (actually a single Chinese outfit that seems to get a resellership at multiple tiny registrars) scraping Whois to convince domain name holders to switch their service right?
--srs > On 26-Mar-2017, at 6:08 AM, Doug Barton <dougb@dougbarton.email> wrote: > > FYI, you removed the attribution of the statement you're replying to > here. That's generally considered rude in e-mail list circles. > > On 03/25/2017 05:02 PM, Al Iverson wrote: >>> And to John's objection to privacy for companies in another >>> message, your outlook is unrealistic. It's often very important to >>> secure names in advance for a project that hasn't been publicly >>> announced (because once it's announced the speculators will swoop >>> in). Not being able to mask ownership information for these >>> domains, prior to the announcement, would be a serious business >>> risk, and serve to stifle innovation around domain names. >> >> Not seeing it. > > Because your vision is too narrow. :) > >> Company names in the US are public record with the state that >> they're registered. >> >> Want to trademark that business name in the US? That becomes part of >> the public record, too. > > You seem to be assuming that the only domains a company might want to > register refer to the name of their own company. That's not even close to > being accurate. > > Companies register new domains for special projects, new ad campaigns, etc. > etc. There are all kinds of reasons companies register new domains, and may > want to temporarily hide the fact that their company is associated with it, > until that property or campaign becomes public knowledge. > > But let's take your example of a new business. In today's economy your > on-line identity is a critical part of your company. It would be incredibly > foolish for a new company to go very far down the road of naming itself > without being certain that the right domain names associated with that name > are under their control. So there is likely not even a legal entity which > already exists at the time of the registration to effect the registration in > the first place. > >> Companies often speculatively register domains, even speculatively >> submit trademark applications today and most of them seem to do just >> fine without having to eliminate or restrict WHOIS. > > "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio ..." > >> Don't want it registered to the main company? Register it to one of >> your other LLCs. > > As you so cleverly pointed out, those records are public, too. > >> If you're a company registered in a US state, the company name, >> registered agent, and incorporation info are public record. If you >> are a company registering a domain name on the internet, I think >> that registration information for that domain name should be at least >> as public. > > The fact that you think that is interesting, but not terribly relevant. All > you've stated is an opinion of what you think SHOULD happen. I've pointed out > numerous reasons why companies don't always want to do this now, and won't do > it in the future. If you want anyone to take your argument seriously you have > to show what harm will come from private registration. > > If you prevent registrars from offering private registration services you'll > simply pave the way for people to offer their own registration agency > services to hold the registrations on behalf of those who don't want their > information public. So you'll push the problem outside the scope of ICANN > oversight, and then you're done. You cannot prevent people from contracting > with each other to provide/consume these services, and you cannot require > people that do to submit to ICANN oversight. > > The answer is simple ... keep these services at the registrars, and exercise > reasonable restrictions on how they are provided. Those who need privacy can > have it, and those that need to contact the real registrant can do so with a > minimum of fuss. > > Doug > > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop _______________________________________________ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
