On 03/25/2017 11:19 AM, Neil Schwartzman wrote:

How much does what cost?


Running the WHOIS infrastructure, forcing the registrars and end users to keep the listings up-to-date, etc. I.e. whatever costs exist relative to just turning it off.


Thousands. tens of thousands, perhaps even, no, not perhaps. BILLIONS. yes 
really) See above.

...

I cannot provide specific numbers due to a strict NDA. you can believe me, or 
not. your call, but I speak the truth.


I value what you do, but am trying to play devil's advocate in a helpful way. My personal leanings are towards privacy. If you give me two options,

  (1) "yes" privacy and "no" abuse prevention
  (2) "no" privacy and "yes" abuse prevention,

then in the complete absence of data, I'm going to default to (1). That's a philosophical/political leaning, and maybe some of the working group members share it.

If you wanted to convince *me* to change my default opinion, what would work is some evidence that I can't ignore. Show me that eliminating the WHOIS is worse *for the bullet points that I care about* than the alternative. In other words, prove (with data) your assertion that abuse is a worse privacy risk than the WHOIS data itself.

Hope that helps =)


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