Eric, i do agree with you up to a point at least. However one thing is laws and rules another thing is real life. They could obviously quite easily modify the e-readers so we could use them, in fact it would be dead simple to do so. What is interesting is why it is not being done. I guess in the mean time we may just have to do what we always have done, find some other ways of accepting our information.
On 8/8/13, eric oyen <eric.o...@gmail.com> wrote: > and what is wrong with that? the powers that be try every way to keep us > penned up, but I do not accept that. We have the right to be able to live > the same as others (at least here in the U.S.). So, why should we accept > anything less? > > -eric > > On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Barry Hadder wrote: > >> I recall a time not so long ago when i devices first became accessible, >> everyone thinking how that was going to level the playing field. It’s >> funny how quickly perspectives change. >> >> Now the bar has been raised even higher. The playing field will not be >> level until blind people have access to every cheep piece of crap in >> existence. >> I should say that I’m happy with what Apple does and I have no desire to >> use anything else. That said however, I certainly think that it would be >> a very good think if other companies would realize the importance of >> opening their products up to other segments of society and not excluding >> them. I just don’t think that this is going to convince them. >> >> I don’t want to completely let Apple off the hook as it seems to me at >> times that there are factions under their roof that don’t seem to >> understand the importance of accessibility or what Voiceover is even used >> for. On the other hand, I think that there is a much larger faction at >> Apple that definitely gets it and that the evidence to support this is >> over whelming. I realize that not every body can listen to them, but >> there were some very impressive sessions at WWDC on the importance of >> accessibility and how easy it really is to not only make an app usable to >> a blind person, but make it a nice experience to use. >> >> I would like to suggest, that just maybe, if a government agency needs to >> step in to private inderestry and dictate to a company how their product >> is required to function, the result probably won’t be something you are >> going to want to use. >> >> I think that we as a blind community have access to more information then >> at any other time in history. And, while things can always be better, >> maybe some gratitude is in order for the really good things that some >> companies like Apple have done. >> >> >> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:36 PM, Richard Ring <richr...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> And, let's face it! Not all blind people can afford i devices, nor should >>> they have to! Having a relatively inexpensive Ereader would really help >>> to level the playing field! >>> >>> >>> You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of >>> Fielding >>> Sent from my Mac Book Pro >>> richr...@gmail.com >>> >>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@me.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi there >>>> Yes, and we all know which "disability" they are talking about, and it's >>>> not the disabled they are talking about either. They are talking about >>>> the blind, but of course, they didn't say so. They might as well have. >>>> After all, most of the other disabilities can read the print. When I >>>> heard about this law, I had a feeling this kind of thing was going to >>>> start with the "we can't" people. >>>> >>>> Hey, I guess you guys noticed how they want to solve the accessibility >>>> problem, right! They want to let Apple carrying them along by saying we >>>> can all use iPads etc.! >>>> Regards, >>>> Gigi >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Gigi >>>> >>>> On Aug 7, 2013, at 10:02 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't believe the FCC would even consider that. They should say, >>>>> absolutely not. These devices must be made accessible, end of story. >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> Hello all: >>>>> >>>>>> In follow-up to Karen's post last night, I am posting information >>>>>> regarding FCC's request for comments on this issue. I hope that many >>>>>> of you will take the time to comment. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> Request for Comment on Petition for Class Waiver of Accessibility >>>>>> Rules for ACS >>>>> >>>>>> On August 1, 2013, the Federal Communication Commission (FCC) released >>>>>> a Public Notice requesting comment on a petition filed by the >>>>>> Coalition of E-Reader Manufacturers. The Coalition requests that the >>>>>> Commission waive its rules requiring equipment used for advanced >>>>>> communications services (ACS) to be accessible by people with >>>>>> disabilities. The Coalition states that, although e-readers are >>>>>> equipment that consumers can use for ACS, they are designed primarily >>>>>> for reading. >>>>> >>>>>> To distinguish e-readers from tablets and other devices that would not >>>>>> be subject to the waiver request, the Coalition requests a waiver for >>>>>> e-readers that have the following features: >>>>> >>>>>> (1) they have no LCD screen; >>>>>> (2) they have no camera; >>>>>> (3) they are not offered or shipped to consumers with built-in ACS >>>>>> client applications and their manufacturers do not develop ACS >>>>>> applications for their respective devices, though the devices may >>>>>> include a browser and social media applications; and >>>>>> (4) they are marketed to consumers as reading devices and promotional >>>>>> material does not tout the capability to access ACS. >>>>> >>>>>> Comment Deadline: September 3, 2013 >>>>>> Reply Comment Deadline: September 13, 2013 >>>>> >>>>>> Links to the Public Notice (including filing instructions): >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> (PDF) >>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf >>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.pdf> >>>>>> (Word) >>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc >>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.doc> >>>>>> (Text) >>>>>> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt >>>>>> <http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-13-1686A1.txt> >>>>> >>>>>> Link to the Coalition Petition (May 15, 2013): >>>>>> http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526 >>>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7022314526> >>>>> >>>>>> Link to the Letter Supplementing the Coalition Petition (July 17, >>>>>> 2013): http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307 >>>>>> <http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view?id=7520931307> >>>>> >>>>>> For further information, please contact Eliot Greenwald at (202) >>>>>> 418-2235 oreliot.greenw...@fcc.gov >>>>>> <mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov><mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov >>>>>> <mailto:eliot.greenw...@fcc.gov>>; 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