Hi guys. 
I have been trying to decide how I wanted to respond to this thread or whether 
I wanted to jump in here on this topic or not. However, here is my two cents. 

We have acquired, as a blindness community, an increased responsibility to our 
computer-using blind colleagues. Here's what I mean by that. There are several 
advantages for us in being served by mainstream companies, but are some 
disadvantages as well. You've got folks at Apple who are busily working 
diligently on accessibility issues. However, if I had to guess, there are other 
folks there who know nothing about accessibility, and they are busy doing their 
thing. I suspect that every now and then the folks that know nothing about 
accessibility are going to put out something that we're going to have trouble 
with. When that happens, then that is where our responsibility comes in because 
if we don't let it be known about problems, then it will be assumed we are 
having no trouble. 

I also think that we need to have a distinction between personal wants and real 
needs. For instance, I might really like other voices on my iPhone, but the 
reality is that, because I don't have a serious hearing difficulty, I can do 
just fine with the one that's on there. However, I might have a real need for 
sure to increase my ability to fill out horrible forms on my Mac, especially if 
the capsha issue isn't resolved somehow. 

Regards,
Gigi

On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:23 PM, Carlene Knight <carlenefor...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It's my understanding that Apple bought out Nuance. I was not aware that 
> Microsoft  had  many voices. Are they as high quality as Alex is? I would 
> like to hear  Alex on my eye devices instead of Samantha.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Feb 15, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Devin Prater <d.pra...@me.com> wrote:
> 
>> The only thing that really gets to me sometimes is that Apple just had to 
>> side with Neuance, just to get international voices. Now we all know how 
>> good Alex is. We all love Alex. But Apple just had to stop making new 
>> voiecs, although I think they still adjust the old ones and stuff, but 
>> still; Microsoft has made many high quality voices, in many languages. They 
>> made them all, so why can't Apple? Why not make voices in the superior Apple 
>> way? To me, Neuance is like one step above acapella is in Read2go. And now, 
>> in iOs6.1, the premium voiec of us english won't download. I have it all set 
>> correctly, and have been waiting for days. So that's the only 2 things that 
>> annoy meabout  iOs 6 and iOs in general. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPod with iCloud
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2013, at 1:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> And what about the one where a hole was discovered like Sarah A said whereby 
>> one could bypass the lock screen if there is a passcode set.  That really! 
>> dissettles me!
>> 
>> Chris Gilland.
>> Founder of CLG Productions
>> http://www.clgproductions.com
>> E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
>> Phone: 803-760-7136
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>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <jshandr...@gmail.com>
>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 12:42
>> Subject: OT: iOS 6 Disappointment!
>> 
>> 
>> OT: iOS 6 disappointment!
>> 
>> Is anyone else feeling a little sad about the iOS eco-system since release 
>> in October. Don't get me wrong, there will always be issues. However Apple 
>> has had so many issues.
>> First, you had the complete redesign of iBooks,  App, iTunes store. In the 
>> first release the blind community lost a lot of access, because we didn't 
>> even have the ability to see ratings with the new software.
>> Second, you had the App store crashing when you would go into the search 
>> area. This happened to everyone, not just our community.
>> thirdly, who can forget the map debacle.
>> You have devices going into recovery mode when you do a reset.
>> The 6. 1 update you now have exchange issue. The extreme 4s battery issue, 
>> and now this morning people who use institutional accounts like at schools. 
>> Individuals can bypass the no downloading option.
>> I just find this so sad. apple used to pay such close attention to 
>> stability, clean UI, and of course accessibility. I still love my Apple 
>> products, and hope things change under Jony Ive. Is anyone else feeling 
>> slightly let down? This is just a short list, I know you could point out 
>> more. I just pointed out a few which never should have happened!
>> 
>> J.P.
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