You see, Chris, there are two ways to approach the situation.  You can 
voice your complaints in a simple and direct manner and state your opinion, as 
Ray has done below, or you can go on a five message rant implying foul language 
in your responses to make your points.  No one, including myself, ever claimed 
the system was perfect or that there weren't problems.  It's a matter of using 
tact and not cluttering the list with multiple complaints in dramatic soap 
opera style that have been clearly made once.  I think we all get it.  You are 
unhappy about it.


Take Care

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On Jan 13, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Ray Foret Jr <rfore...@att.net> wrote:

> Thanks.  Look, I hate to see a good list like this go to pot because 
> folks-honest good folks-caint join up with us and both benefit from and give 
> help where needed.  To speak frankly, I'd say the list administration could 
> stand some help.  Look, y'all, this ain't personal.  If it was, trust me, 
> you'd know it.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
> 
> On Jan 13, 2013, at 5:44 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> A effin men!  I, too! am protesting!  This is insane!  I'm right there with 
>> ya, Ray.
>> 
>> Chris Gilland.
>> Founder of CLG Productions
>> http://www.clgproductions.com
>> E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com
>> Phone: 803-760-7136
>> Toll-Free: 1-888-405-3185
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ray Foret Jr
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 11:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: inviting somebody to join the list
>> 
>> Quite absurd.  I must and do publically protest the current state of 
>> things!!!
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>> 
>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 10:03 PM, Kerri <shalo...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>> 
>>> I encountered this same thing, I had to apply 4 times and it took almost a 
>>> month to get in here.
>>> On 2013-01-12, at 7:47 PM, Harry Hogue <harryhog...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I see no problem with making it an open list, unless that opens the list 
>>>> up to robots and the like.
>>>> Harry
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 8:44 PM, Ray Foret Jr <rfore...@att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have the very same issue.  A friend to join, but, haven't heard back 
>>>>> from the mod.  To put it bluntly, how can we expect any new members with 
>>>>> this kind of crazy scheme?  Do we want new members or not?  IF so, what's 
>>>>> the fastest way to get them on board?  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>> Still a very proud and happy Mac and Iphone user!
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Lisette Wesseling 
>>>>> <lisettewessel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi folks
>>>>>> I have a friend who wants to join this list. She tried subscribing 
>>>>>> herself but got an error message saying it was by invite only. I'm sure 
>>>>>> I just joined without somebody inviting me.
>>>>>> When I tried to go to the website - the link at the bottom of this email 
>>>>>> - I got a 404 error.
>>>>>> What's going on, and how can my friend join up? Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Lisette
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