If I may play devil's advocate for a second, though--if you are working with people that are using Word, where is the line beyond which the solutions we have at our disposal that run natively on OS X are too incompatible for collaboration? If I sent a document that was originally created in Word (say, a test specification template) off to someone after I'd edited it in Pages, and Pages totally botched the formatting during its round trip from Word to Pages to Word, this is going to make more work for the person approving the document (all test specifications at my company, for instance, start life as a template, then the tester writes the spec, then a peer reviews the spec for any missing elements). Whilst one wouldn't need Office to be productive (I'll leave the philosophical discussions around the definition of "productive" for another time, as this is apparently a topic of some contention), are we still in a situation where we will need Office to be compatible? Admittedly, as someone whose last experience with Pages was back in 2005, I would love to be told that the only things that don't tend to survive the round trip are some obscure formatting that really only is a factor if you edit documents in multiple languages and more than 30% of your doc is in Kanji. On Jul 28, 2012, at 1:55 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> True. I have not tried Pages, but I hear it is mostly accessible, more than > MS can say about their solutions. I guess I'm just tired of everyone thinking > they need Office in order to be productive... > On 28 Jul 2012, at 15:38, William Windels <william.wind...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello Alex, >> in my opinion, we shouldn't accept that we can't work toghetter with oter >> sighted users because of the inaccessible or low featured editors. >> I think personally that Apple should build only apps that are fully >> accessible with their own accessibility rules in mind,(exepting bugs of >> course since we are all humans ;) ). >> When you convert a doc(x) to a rtf, for shore you will lose lay-out >> functionality. >> >> And Microsoft, they won't make accessible programs out of the box in the >> next years I think. >> >> That's my opinion. >> >> kind regards, >> William Windels >> Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:01 heeft Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> het volgende >> geschreven: >> >>> The way I see it, you have one other choice: only use Mac! If you have a >>> doc or docx file, will converting it to rtf, then saving it in that format, >>> solve the problem? I suppose this isn't a surprise, though, as no two >>> editors do things the same way, so compatibility in all aspects of >>> formatting is probably never going to happen. I'm okay with moving away >>> from a massively expensive and slow program like Office and using >>> lower-cost one like Pages, or free ones like Textedit. Maybe we can help >>> stop the monopoly Office has over anyone wanting to do wordprocessing... >>> On 28 Jul 2012, at 09:42, William Windels <william.wind...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all, >>>> This is perhaps a late response but I found this a interesting discussion >>>> and I wasn't able to answer before because of holidays. >>>> >>>> What's most frustrating for me is that we can't edit office-documents of >>>> others without distroying the made lay-out. >>>> The only option here should be to use ms office for mac but this isn't >>>> accessible at all, right? >>>> Also with pages, it seems not compatible with some (basic) lay-out tasks >>>> of ms office documents. >>>> >>>> So, to solve this, we should use windows or wate until??? >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> William Windels >>>> Op 24-jul.-2012, om 15:17 heeft Daniel McGee >>>> <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> het volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>>> Hi Johnny, here is the direct homepage for Bean. >>>>> http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html >>>>> >>>>> I will now try to describe how you download and install it. >>>>> Note two things. Once you understand how to install an app on the Mac, >>>>> then it will apply to most apps that you want to use. With the exception >>>>> of sometimes there being installers for some apps for the Mac but what >>>>> I'm about to try to describe to you will probably be the most common >>>>> situation. Another note. I am using OSX Lion so if it differs from >>>>> previous Mac OS versions then I apologise but I reckon it shouldn't be >>>>> all that much different. >>>>> >>>>> Ok lets use the website above as an example for you to install Bean and >>>>> try it out for yourself! By the way it is a free app as you may probably >>>>> notice. Once you go to the website, look for a link that called Download >>>>> Bean. Once you've found it, do a VO space bar on it to start the >>>>> download. Afther you've done this quickly press Command option L this >>>>> will open the download dialog box. Chances are that if this does;doesn't >>>>> happen i.e. the dialog box doesn't come up, it has been in my experience >>>>> that it has already downloaded. However, if you catch the dialog then >>>>> just wait for it to disappear and that should of downloaded it too. >>>>> Now we have downloaded the DMG short of for Disc Image note you will find >>>>> that this is a common thing that you will notice when downloading apps. >>>>> Anyway we now need to get to this DMG. Chances are that by default it >>>>> should be in your download's folder. A quick and nice easy way to get to >>>>> it is to issue the keystroke Command Shift H. This will take you to your >>>>> home directory. Once your there, locate the download folder and open it >>>>> with command O. In there there should be an item called Bean install. >>>>> Open this again with command O. there should be two times in there but >>>>> what you want is the one called Bean.app if it just says Bean then you >>>>> haven't gotten your file extensions enabled for you to reconize what >>>>> extension your dealing with but trust me its an .app extention. If you >>>>> want I'll tell you about how to enable that in another post but for now >>>>> you want to copy this and place it in the application's folder. Copy >>>>> command is Command C. Now close all your finder windows till you get to >>>>> the desktop and to get to the application folder its simply a command >>>>> shift A keystroke now paste the app in with command V and Bang! Its >>>>> installed! The final thing you need to do is eject the disc image from >>>>> the desktop this can be done with command E. Now go back to the >>>>> application folder and open bean with Command O. A dialog box should pop >>>>> up but just hit ok or whatever it it says. I can't remember now but once >>>>> you dismiss that box, you will be in the bean application. Oh and to quit >>>>> it, that is Command Q once your done messing around getting a feel for >>>>> the word processor. >>>>> >>>>> I really hope this gets you going with downloading apps! I know at 1st it >>>>> seems a weird way to install apps but I've had a Mac now about half a >>>>> year and have come to think its a easier and simpler way to work with >>>>> programmes than windows. That's just an opinion though. >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy! >>>>> >>>>> Daniel >>>>> >>>>> On 24 Jul 2012, at 13:12, William Windels wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Johnny, >>>>>> The right link is: >>>>>> Download Bean >>>>>> >>>>>> If the link is not responding, try to save the source of the link with >>>>>> the save as option. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>>> kind regards, >>>>>> William Windels >>>>>> Op 24-jul.-2012, om 08:17 heeft Johnny Angel! het volgende geschreven: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well I too went to rosie's page and I found an executable install link >>>>>>> for Bean. I first did a cmd+enter on it and something happened, but I >>>>>>> couldn't tell you what. Then I tried a VO+spacebar and got a file not >>>>>>> found on this server with a 404 error page. So lets face it. I think I >>>>>>> need to come to grips with myself and admit that I am in need of some >>>>>>> serious downloading help. Wouldn't you say so? I really don't know if >>>>>>> I actually downloaded anything or not. you see, my so called State-paid >>>>>>> instructor set my Macbook up and never taught me anything. I remember >>>>>>> finding a database program recommended by this wonderful group, but he >>>>>>> couldn't tell me how to get it installed on my MBP. Anyway, please >>>>>>> don't be too surprized if you feel a little sorry for me, - I frankly >>>>>>> don't blame you. <grinn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, enough silly stuff here. I would really like it if someone would >>>>>>> be kind enough to help me with downloading and installing programs on >>>>>>> my Mac. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks much, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Johnny >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I went to Rose's site, http://www.chicksdigmacs.net, and searched for >>>>>>>> "bean". It came right up, complete with a download link. I haven't >>>>>>>> tried it yet, but that's how I will next time I boot into mac. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/23/12, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Daniel, >>>>>>>>> Where can I get this app. What do I search for? >>>>>>>>> Stacey and Chesley >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Alex, well I use a free app called Bean and it works for me. I >>>>>>>>>> mainly >>>>>>>>>> got it because Text Edit can't display your word count and tell me >>>>>>>>>> how >>>>>>>>>> many pages I have written. Where as with Bean all I have to do is one >>>>>>>>>> simple keystroke and I get all the info in a dialog box. I have also >>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>> able to save in that app in .doc word format and go between windows >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> Mac at college and home. I like both systems and I'm very glad I >>>>>>>>>> found >>>>>>>>>> this app. It also regularly updated too and I think the developer is >>>>>>>>>> aware >>>>>>>>>> of us Voiceover users because he fixed some labels that wern't >>>>>>>>>> correct in >>>>>>>>>> 3.8 and were supposively reporting there correct status in 3.9 LOL I >>>>>>>>>> didn't even know what labels he was referring to but it was >>>>>>>>>> mentioned in >>>>>>>>>> the change log so I assumed it was done. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway hope this helps. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jul 2012, at 19:26, Matthew Campbell wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>>>>>> Try VO T to check formatting. >>>>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work, try highlighting the text first and then use VO >>>>>>>>>>> T. >>>>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>>>> Matthew Campbell. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2012-07-23, at 1:42 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Okay, I wondered if format support would ocme into it. Still, from >>>>>>>>>>>> what I hear, any file formatted in one program will likely not be >>>>>>>>>>>> formatted correctly in another, so I don't see this as specific to >>>>>>>>>>>> Textedit. Headers and footers are things I never use, but I can see >>>>>>>>>>>> how lack of support would be limiting to other users. When using >>>>>>>>>>>> vo, >>>>>>>>>>>> is there a command equivalent to ins-f, to read formatting? I use >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> command to check centering, font, and other attributes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/12, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> You know, for most practical purposes, it can. I haven't really >>>>>>>>>>>>> had >>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>> luck getting tables to work, but i'm still back on sl. Hopefully >>>>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> improved in two years, lol. I've certainly submitted professional >>>>>>>>>>>>> reports >>>>>>>>>>>>> with it, and had them look reasonably attractive. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, text edit's filetype support isn't very good. If you >>>>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>>>> form >>>>>>>>>>>>> done up in word format, text edit will import it but pooch the >>>>>>>>>>>>> formatting. I >>>>>>>>>>>>> have to use open office writer for that sort of job, and writer >>>>>>>>>>>>> irritates >>>>>>>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Have fun, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and >>>>>>>>>>>>> staying >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> touch on my handheld. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a stupid question. I was looking at Textedit yesterday, and >>>>>>>>>>>>> found it supports lists, tables, bolding, justification, >>>>>>>>>>>>> centering, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and so on. So, except for embeding images, what can MS Office, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Libre >>>>>>>>>>>>> Office, or Open Office do that Textedit cannot? Basically, why the >>>>>>>>>>>>> need for a more powerful editor when this one seems to have it >>>>>>>>>>>>> covered >>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty well? I always hear variation of, "the mac is fine unless >>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>> want to actually get work done", and I was wondering about >>>>>>>>>>>>> Textedit, >>>>>>>>>>>>> so I had a look, and it seems quite capable. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>>>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Have a great day, >>>>>>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website) >>>>>>>> mehg...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not of this world, >>>>>>> I am born of The forty-second generation >>>>>>> A new, powerful race, never seen before. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wish to join? 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