Hello Alex, in my opinion, we shouldn't accept that we can't work toghetter with oter sighted users because of the inaccessible or low featured editors. I think personally that Apple should build only apps that are fully accessible with their own accessibility rules in mind,(exepting bugs of course since we are all humans ;) ). When you convert a doc(x) to a rtf, for shore you will lose lay-out functionality.
And Microsoft, they won't make accessible programs out of the box in the next years I think. That's my opinion. kind regards, William Windels Op 28-jul.-2012, om 16:01 heeft Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven: > The way I see it, you have one other choice: only use Mac! If you have a doc > or docx file, will converting it to rtf, then saving it in that format, solve > the problem? I suppose this isn't a surprise, though, as no two editors do > things the same way, so compatibility in all aspects of formatting is > probably never going to happen. I'm okay with moving away from a massively > expensive and slow program like Office and using lower-cost one like Pages, > or free ones like Textedit. Maybe we can help stop the monopoly Office has > over anyone wanting to do wordprocessing... > On 28 Jul 2012, at 09:42, William Windels <william.wind...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> This is perhaps a late response but I found this a interesting discussion >> and I wasn't able to answer before because of holidays. >> >> What's most frustrating for me is that we can't edit office-documents of >> others without distroying the made lay-out. >> The only option here should be to use ms office for mac but this isn't >> accessible at all, right? >> Also with pages, it seems not compatible with some (basic) lay-out tasks of >> ms office documents. >> >> So, to solve this, we should use windows or wate until??? >> >> Kind regards, >> William Windels >> Op 24-jul.-2012, om 15:17 heeft Daniel McGee <danielmcgee...@googlemail.com> >> het volgende geschreven: >> >>> Hi Johnny, here is the direct homepage for Bean. >>> http://www.bean-osx.com/Bean.html >>> >>> I will now try to describe how you download and install it. >>> Note two things. Once you understand how to install an app on the Mac, then >>> it will apply to most apps that you want to use. With the exception of >>> sometimes there being installers for some apps for the Mac but what I'm >>> about to try to describe to you will probably be the most common situation. >>> Another note. I am using OSX Lion so if it differs from previous Mac OS >>> versions then I apologise but I reckon it shouldn't be all that much >>> different. >>> >>> Ok lets use the website above as an example for you to install Bean and try >>> it out for yourself! By the way it is a free app as you may probably >>> notice. Once you go to the website, look for a link that called Download >>> Bean. Once you've found it, do a VO space bar on it to start the download. >>> Afther you've done this quickly press Command option L this will open the >>> download dialog box. Chances are that if this does;doesn't happen i.e. the >>> dialog box doesn't come up, it has been in my experience that it has >>> already downloaded. However, if you catch the dialog then just wait for it >>> to disappear and that should of downloaded it too. >>> Now we have downloaded the DMG short of for Disc Image note you will find >>> that this is a common thing that you will notice when downloading apps. >>> Anyway we now need to get to this DMG. Chances are that by default it >>> should be in your download's folder. A quick and nice easy way to get to it >>> is to issue the keystroke Command Shift H. This will take you to your home >>> directory. Once your there, locate the download folder and open it with >>> command O. In there there should be an item called Bean install. Open this >>> again with command O. there should be two times in there but what you want >>> is the one called Bean.app if it just says Bean then you haven't gotten >>> your file extensions enabled for you to reconize what extension your >>> dealing with but trust me its an .app extention. If you want I'll tell you >>> about how to enable that in another post but for now you want to copy this >>> and place it in the application's folder. Copy command is Command C. Now >>> close all your finder windows till you get to the desktop and to get to the >>> application folder its simply a command shift A keystroke now paste the app >>> in with command V and Bang! Its installed! The final thing you need to do >>> is eject the disc image from the desktop this can be done with command E. >>> Now go back to the application folder and open bean with Command O. A >>> dialog box should pop up but just hit ok or whatever it it says. I can't >>> remember now but once you dismiss that box, you will be in the bean >>> application. Oh and to quit it, that is Command Q once your done messing >>> around getting a feel for the word processor. >>> >>> I really hope this gets you going with downloading apps! I know at 1st it >>> seems a weird way to install apps but I've had a Mac now about half a year >>> and have come to think its a easier and simpler way to work with programmes >>> than windows. That's just an opinion though. >>> >>> Enjoy! >>> >>> Daniel >>> >>> On 24 Jul 2012, at 13:12, William Windels wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Johnny, >>>> The right link is: >>>> Download Bean >>>> >>>> If the link is not responding, try to save the source of the link with the >>>> save as option. >>>> >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> kind regards, >>>> William Windels >>>> Op 24-jul.-2012, om 08:17 heeft Johnny Angel! het volgende geschreven: >>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> Well I too went to rosie's page and I found an executable install link >>>>> for Bean. I first did a cmd+enter on it and something happened, but I >>>>> couldn't tell you what. Then I tried a VO+spacebar and got a file not >>>>> found on this server with a 404 error page. So lets face it. I think I >>>>> need to come to grips with myself and admit that I am in need of some >>>>> serious downloading help. Wouldn't you say so? I really don't know if I >>>>> actually downloaded anything or not. you see, my so called State-paid >>>>> instructor set my Macbook up and never taught me anything. I remember >>>>> finding a database program recommended by this wonderful group, but he >>>>> couldn't tell me how to get it installed on my MBP. Anyway, please don't >>>>> be too surprized if you feel a little sorry for me, - I frankly don't >>>>> blame you. <grinn >>>>> >>>>> Okay, enough silly stuff here. I would really like it if someone would be >>>>> kind enough to help me with downloading and installing programs on my Mac. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks much, >>>>> >>>>> Johnny >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 5:52 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I went to Rose's site, http://www.chicksdigmacs.net, and searched for >>>>>> "bean". It came right up, complete with a download link. I haven't >>>>>> tried it yet, but that's how I will next time I boot into mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/23/12, Stacey Robinson <stacey...@bellsouth.net> wrote: >>>>>>> Daniel, >>>>>>> Where can I get this app. What do I search for? >>>>>>> Stacey and Chesley >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 23, 2012, at 2:56 PM, Daniel McGee wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Alex, well I use a free app called Bean and it works for me. I >>>>>>>> mainly >>>>>>>> got it because Text Edit can't display your word count and tell me how >>>>>>>> many pages I have written. Where as with Bean all I have to do is one >>>>>>>> simple keystroke and I get all the info in a dialog box. I have also >>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>> able to save in that app in .doc word format and go between windows and >>>>>>>> Mac at college and home. I like both systems and I'm very glad I found >>>>>>>> this app. It also regularly updated too and I think the developer is >>>>>>>> aware >>>>>>>> of us Voiceover users because he fixed some labels that wern't correct >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> 3.8 and were supposively reporting there correct status in 3.9 LOL I >>>>>>>> didn't even know what labels he was referring to but it was mentioned >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> the change log so I assumed it was done. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyway hope this helps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Daniel >>>>>>>> On 23 Jul 2012, at 19:26, Matthew Campbell wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>>>> Try VO T to check formatting. >>>>>>>>> If it doesn't work, try highlighting the text first and then use VO T. >>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>> Matthew Campbell. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2012-07-23, at 1:42 PM, Alex Hall wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Okay, I wondered if format support would ocme into it. Still, from >>>>>>>>>> what I hear, any file formatted in one program will likely not be >>>>>>>>>> formatted correctly in another, so I don't see this as specific to >>>>>>>>>> Textedit. Headers and footers are things I never use, but I can see >>>>>>>>>> how lack of support would be limiting to other users. When using vo, >>>>>>>>>> is there a command equivalent to ins-f, to read formatting? I use >>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>> command to check centering, font, and other attributes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/23/12, Erik Burggraaf <e...@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> You know, for most practical purposes, it can. I haven't really had >>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>> luck getting tables to work, but i'm still back on sl. Hopefully >>>>>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>> improved in two years, lol. I've certainly submitted professional >>>>>>>>>>> reports >>>>>>>>>>> with it, and had them look reasonably attractive. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> By the way, text edit's filetype support isn't very good. If you >>>>>>>>>>> have a >>>>>>>>>>> form >>>>>>>>>>> done up in word format, text edit will import it but pooch the >>>>>>>>>>> formatting. I >>>>>>>>>>> have to use open office writer for that sort of job, and writer >>>>>>>>>>> irritates >>>>>>>>>>> me. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Have fun, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and staying >>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> touch on my handheld. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>>> I have a stupid question. I was looking at Textedit yesterday, and >>>>>>>>>>> found it supports lists, tables, bolding, justification, centering, >>>>>>>>>>> and so on. So, except for embeding images, what can MS Office, Libre >>>>>>>>>>> Office, or Open Office do that Textedit cannot? Basically, why the >>>>>>>>>>> need for a more powerful editor when this one seems to have it >>>>>>>>>>> covered >>>>>>>>>>> pretty well? 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