Hello Les.

I'm glad it resolved all the issues for you.

I have already reported tis to Apple Accessibility.

Have a great evening.

Most Sincerely,

Mark




On Jul 27, 2012, at 6:12 PM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
> 
> It sure does.  I'm very pleased that that issue is resolved as well.  Great 
> catch on your part.  You might want to report that to the accessibility group 
> at Apple, as I'll bet they have no idea as to how to resolve these two issues.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 27, 2012, at 9:10 PM, "M. Taylor" <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Les,
>> 
>> You are very welcome.
>> 
>> I had the exact same secondary issue you succinctly described.  
>> 
>> Yes, changing the setting does resolve the secondary problem as well.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Kriegler
>> Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 6:06 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Resolution to VoiceOver Intermittently Not Reading Correct
>> Number of Messages in a Email Thread
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Thanks for this.  I' also hopeful that the text of the last message in a
>> thread will now be read properly.  Here's the problem I had which I hope is
>> fixed.  I reach a conversation with 2 or more messages.  I expand with right
>> arrow.  I use VO-J to jump to the text.  As I conclude reading the message,
>> I delete it from the thread.  When I get to the final message in the
>> conversation and hit VO-J, I often hear text repeated from another message
>> in the thread.  It's very confusing when this occurs.  I hope this setting
>> modification will fix this.  It certainly seems to have fixed that annoying
>> message when there's only 1 message.  Thanks again.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 8:41 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> I now know why VO says, for some items in the Message Table, "1 
>>> Message Conversation Collapsed Disclosure Triangle.
>>> 
>>> I also know how to turn this off so VO reads as it should, in my 
>>> opinion; that is, reads the number of messages in a thread and, 
>>> consequently, read the number of each individual message in the Message
>> Contents Table.
>>> 
>>> The reason why VO says, "1 Message Conversation Collapsed Disclosure 
>>> Triangle," is because, for whatever reason, by default, Mail is set to 
>>> Include All Related Messages.
>>> 
>>> I strongly suggest that you disable this feature when using VoiceOver.  
>>> To do this:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> From within Mail, open the Preferences Dialog Box.
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> Select the View Tab.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> Now, uncheck the box that reads, "Include All Related Messages."
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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