Lol my opinion is if Nuance is so tight fist about Eloquence yet they
are not with Vocalizer I cannot see Eloquence being featured any time soon.
On 03/07/2012 14:38, Daniel McGee wrote:
eloquence 100% is for me. If I had this, then I wouldn't be using windows
anymore there's something about the voice that I can listen to it and I don't
get tired of it. I have a hearing impairment and find it is more clear
understandable in words than these silly nuance voices. I don't want that to be
offending to anyone who uses the nuance real speak voices but for me, I just
don't understand them clearly, to slow no matter how much I speed them up I
can't understand them when they are really fast anyway and lastly too slow even
when I can follow them.
Ohand caps lock gets my vote too.
If the day comes where Apple have eloquence added to the list of VO voices,
will be the day where I differently upgrade my OS!
How do others feel about eloquence being added?
You got me started on this one! LOL
Daniel
On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:47, Chris Moore wrote:
I guess that makes sense. I suppose that is the charm of VO, it can be used in
so many different ways.
If I am using my iMac, then I tend to use the numeric keypad., and if I am
using my iOS devices I use quick nav via a bluetooth keyboard, and when using
my Macbook I use the track pad.
Caps lock gets my vote too then if anyone at Apple is listening.
HOw about built in OCR anyone? or would anyone like to see eloquence added to
the voice list too?
Chris
On 3 Jul 2012, at 12:18, Garth Humphreys wrote:
I prefer not to have to take my fingers off the home keys. It is not so much
with the arrow keys that I would want to use the caps lock key but with the
other vo commands. I can't help think that the caps lock key is a complete
waste of prime keyboard real-estate, if you know what I mean. It is much more
efficient to my way of thinking to just move your little finger to the caps
lock key as compared to either removing your left or right hand from it's home
keys to press the current VO modifiers.
Garth
iblindtech.com
On 03/07/2012, at 8:39 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
Well with any luck Apple may head in this direction, as they appear to have got
the message with iOS 6 that zoom and voice over at the same time would be
beneficial. If it was improved and there were better contrast colour schemes,
I may consider using it myself. I sometimes fire up ZoomText on my work PC
when using JAWS to sometimes find that button within a web page that JAWS can't
see or a dialog window that JAWS refuses to read.
So where would you see using the caps lock over using quick nav?
Thanks
Chris
On 3 Jul 2012, at 10:31, Garth Humphreys wrote:
There are a few bugs when zoomed to high levels, i.e., more than 14X or so. If
you have VO running and zoom set to follow the keyboard focus you will find
that the command tab to switch between apps becomes unreliable and navigating
the menu bar with the arrow keys is also unreliable. Also I don't like the way
it tracks and works with reading text. I'd like better colour options and
keyboard commands to adjust them, or at least for the invert brightness
keyboard command not to conflict with a Voice Over command. You would think
that Apple would be able to sort out keyboard command conflicts between two of
their own accessibility utilities. I am sure there are work arounds for some of
these but a work around isn't the same as fixing the problem. For example the
menu navigation issue I mentioned does not occur if you use swipes on the
trackpad with trackpad commander to navigate the menu. It only happens with the
arrow keys - strange but there you are.
If I used it regularly I would probably come across more of the issues. It
really doesn't seem to me that apple intended the two utilities to work
together or at least that this was an edge case. It would seem to me that they
expected people to use either option exclusively and if so, they are probably
right. Most people probably do use one or the other.
I'd also love to see the safari busy issue buried deep.
The addition of the ability to set the caps lock key to act as the VO modifier
would also be great.
Garth
iblindtech.com
On 03/07/2012, at 6:48 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
What improvements would you like fixed in particular when it comes to zoom?
On 3 Jul 2012, at 09:44, Garth Humphreys wrote:
I'd love to see some improvements to the way VO works with Zoom and just some
improvements to Zoom in general. I mostly don't use Zoom on my Mac but this
only because it is so poor when compared to things like ZoomText in the windows
world. It is probably great if you don't need to use Voice Over or if you only
need a little enlargement but it falls completely short for me.
Garth
iblindtech.com
On 03/07/2012, at 6:26 PM, Chris Moore wrote:
Riccardo,
Actually that is what I was hinting at to be honest, as i feel the method of
selecting text within Safari is rather sloppy. You can also navigate by line
within iOS, so hoped that feature would come across to OS X. Navigating by
line is also useful when trying to read pages that have been styled into
columns via CSS instead of a table. This can be done in JAWS quite nicely.
Chris
On 3 Jul 2012, at 00:11, Ricardo Walker wrote:
Hi,
I doubt you will see the reading by line with the down arrow. That would
radically change the way VO navigates the web, and I'm not sure it would be for
the better. It would be selecting text easier though.
Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info
On Jul 2, 2012, at 6:37 PM, Chris Moore <apple.geek.ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm I remember a while back putting a list of 15 improvements. I can't
remember them all now, so perhaps I have just learnt to live without them. I
did report them to Apple though as bugs and feature enhancements.
The VoiceOver busy is the biggest annoyance which is caused by the pathetic
slow buffering system voice over uses. So I would like to see that rewritten
from the ground up. There are a few random performance bugs that happen now
and then which require me to switch voice over off then back on again. So
overall performance could do with being improved.
I would also like to know what web page I am looking at when switching between
tabs, being told that is an HTML page is not exactly helpful. I would also
like to navigate line by line just by pressing the down arrow or up key. VO
still needs a bit of work when reporting how many HMTL elements are on a web
page, some windows screen readers seem to find more tables and headings than
VO, especially in the buggy rotor.
I would like the ability to edit form fields in a PDF with Preview, but I
believe this is coming in the next Mountain Lion release (according to Apple's
website).
I would appreciate MIDI event editing in GarageBand, and a huge update to
iWork. There just is not enough accessible productive software on the Mac.
There is more to using a Mac than just Skype and Mail surely?
Not sure if that bug still exists when using the real speak voices where the
pitch used to shift up and down randomly. I stopped using those voices as it
became too annoying.
I would also like the ability to edit voice over's dictionary. For example if
you type third as in the number 3 followed by the letters r and d, you get 3rd
(three road), surely this should be a third? So I think the ability to edit
some of VO's assumptions would be nice, or maybe VO should grow up and become a
tad more intelligent. I would like more control over how VO reads out numbers
too.
Maybe developers should also be given the option to name what VO calls an HTML
area, as something else? For example when using adium the chat window is
called an HTML area, am sure a chat window or conversation window would be more
meaningful.
Last but not least, I find VO a bit slow when first entering the iTunes store.
The page takes a while to render. Well actually visually it does not, but VO
seems to think it does. Actually come to mention it when VO says something is
busy, a sighted person can still move the mouse and perform the action they
require, it is just VO's buffer which is busy.
I spotted another bug today too. When ordering a smart case for my iPad, VO was unable
to read out the colour options. When trying to select a colour, VO simply said
"space radio button" for each of the 6 colours. The work around seemed to be
select a colour, go back to the top of the screen and read out the description to see if
the default green had changed. Or look in the basket and hope to god you have not
selected pink. I eventually performed this task via the Apple Store app on my iPhone
which performed perfectly.
Chris
On 2 Jul 2012, at 19:16, Daniel McGee wrote:
Hi all, a while ago on this list I saw someone mention that they would like so
and so bug to be fixed in Mountain Lion.
I would just really like to start a discussion on if there are not many
enhancements to Voiceover in the next OS, then what bugs would you like fixed
and hope Apple has done there job with it.
I'll go 1st.
For me its safari. two things for me.
1. Now and then when I go back a page with CMD left bracket Voiceover doesn't
announce my list of headings or links that I have set in VO utility.
2. continuing this previous page thing, because I don't always know when the page is
fully loaded when going back, I get the lovely "Voiceover Busy!" Not!
This is using Lion V7.4 and Safari 5.1.7
So what are yours?
I hope this will become an interesting topic because I'm interested to see what
people can come up with and I'm sure there will be some good ones!
So everyone, the dance floor is yours! LOL
Daniel
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