Cheree Heppe here: Sometimes, theory is less effective than task based, hands on examples.
Regards, Cheree Heppe Sent from my iPhone On 03/06/2012, at 20:47, Chris Gilland <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote: > okay… I really could use you awls help. > > I myself am also a Mac voiceover trainer. I have a student who is starting > from ground one. to the best of my knowledge, I do not believe that she even > knew what voiceover was left alone how to use it until I told her of its > existence. she is doing great, however now we're to the point where I am > trying to help her learn the concept of interacting with certain items. at > this point, she is following behind miserably. I'm not saying that it's her > fault, it's probably the way that I am presenting it to her. I honestly am > not sure how else to make this easier. I have tried literally almost every > analogy underneath the sun. I tried explaining to her that voiceover works > very hierarchically. to her, that made entirely no sense. she somewhat gets > the concept when interacting with tables, but that's about as far as it goes. > even then, I can tell that her concept on the matter is very hazy. I told her > also to think of a bookshelf with three or four ring binders if she wanted to > get to the third binder, and then look at the 15th page within that binder, > she would first have to cross over the first and second binder without even > looking inside of them. then, once at the third binder, she could then open > it up, and then flip to the 15th page. I tried explaining to her that > interacting with items on voiceover is much the same. you have an item where > your voiceover cursor sits. you can either use voice over navigation to pass > right over the items, or you can climb a level down and see what is > underneath that item, by interacting with it. her exact words when I said > this work: "okay, now you really lost me! " I am pretty much out of options. > I don't know what else to tell her to try. I am determined to help her. > However, it seems like until we get past this concept, voiceover is going to > be very hard for her to use. whether she uses keyboard commander, trackpad > commander, or for that mind, even quick nap, she's going to need to know the > concept of what it means to interact. There's just no other way around it. > she does not have any learning disabilities, so it kind of surprises me that > all of my other students catch on to this pretty quickly, yet she is not. I > have asked her specifically to tell me what she does not understand about the > concept, however she is not able to articulate what exactly it is that she > does not understand about the concept. I think a lot of it too, is the fact > that she is barely even practicing. I give her certain exercises to try > throughout the day, and every time I do, next time we get together, I asked > her if she practiced, and she very truthfully tells me know. I have had > absolutely nothing to practice with, even though she is fully aware that I > gave her an assignment. I do not know how she ever is going to learn if she > keeps not practicing. I understand her getting frustrated, but when I am > genuinely trying to help her in any way form or shape that I can, I would > expect for her to at least have enough respect to put forth a bit of effort. > I just wonder how much of this is that she really doesn't understand, versus > how much of it is she really seriously is just not trying. I do not want to > be rude to her, however when I see that she is making no progress at all, and > that it's obvious by her admission, that she is not practicing, what the hell > more am I supposed to do? pardon the language, but this is extremely > frustrating. what do you all who are also trainers do when you have students > like this, is simply either one do not get the concept of something, or > simply click do not try and it's very obvious that they are illustrating > their lack of effort. this student has had her state lend her a MacBook for > three weeks. This means she only has that amount of time to learn. We are > extremely early in the three-week process, however, I won't hurt to get the > most out of this that she possibly can. most of the things that we already > have learned, she is also forgetting almost constantly. No, I do not expect > for her to learn all of these things in one night, absolutely not! however, I > know that she would be remembering way more than she is if she were willing > to sit down for at least 15 minutes a day in practice. She does not seem to > even be given me that much. what would be the best thing to do? I do not want > to be rude to her, but I also need to let her know I'm very certain terms, > but I cannot continue this training with her, if she is not going to do her > part. my responsibility is to train and be patient, her responsibility is to > practice. maybe I am very strict of a teacher, but I know her potential. I > know that she can get this. She just has to be willing to try. don't get me > wrong, I am seeing some effort, just not very much. when we stepped a bit out > of her comfort zone, she refuses to continue. > > any advice on how to handle this from a trainer's perspective would be most > greatly appreciated. I'm completely at a loss as to what else to do. > > thanks. > > by the way, sorry for all of the typos in this message. I am dictating this > using Siri on my iPhone. frankly in my opinion, she is doing a horrible job > tonight! > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
