Chris, Give her a set of examples when to use the interaction feature. Such as text pad since it is a simple app. Break it down in steps and give this to her. More then one example would be useful from different apps.
Sean On 05/06/2012, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Being she only has 3 weeks, and constantly is admitting she's not practicing > at all... she's not paying me so I'm not out any money, gbut she is waisting > my time. I don't wanna be rude but I'm really at my limit. Maybe I'm just > too nice of a person. I do tend to tell it like it is most of the time, but > not when it's in a professional type environment. Then, I try to refrane. > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: erik burggraaf > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 7:18 AM > Subject: Re: question for all voice over trainers: trouble interacting with > items > > Hi Chris, Erik here from ebony consulting in toronto. I feel your pain. > > To comment on a couple of things that have been said, I actually find that if > you turn automatic interaction via tab key then things work more like > windows, in direct contrast to what others have said. > > I also liked what Gigi said about sometimes when there's a disconnect trying > to teach the theory and apply it, you might be better off just rolling with > it. Teach a set of steps to accomplish a task and forget why it works as > long as it does. That's a more limited approach but it removes the fear > barrier as long as the set of steps works reliably. > > All that assumes practice. 15 minutes a day is not really a hardship for > anyone. I always recommend that to my clients. I have two thoughts on this. > If my client is paying their own bills, then I will sit them down and tell > them straight up that they're wasting their money unless they make some > changes. Then if they still want to pay I keep taking their money and muddle > along as best I can. If an organization is paying for the support, then I > sit the client down and tell them they have to make the changes or they are > going to lose their funding. I have to document every hour as I'm sure you > do as well. When I get consistent no practice, I put it in the report and > the client loses their funding. It sucks to have to do that, but quite > honestly, I'm not making the kind of money that makes me want to deal with a > lot of frustration. As long as the effort is there I don't care how long it > takes to nail down a skill, but if the effort isn't there, then there's some > one waiting in line to take that person's spot, one fringe benefit of being a > good trainer. :) You can't save the world. > > Hope this helps, > > Erik Burggraaf > Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at > $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. > Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 > or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com > > On 2012-06-03, at 11:47 PM, Chris Gilland wrote: > >> okay… I really could use you awls help. >> >> I myself am also a Mac voiceover trainer. I have a student who is starting >> from ground one. to the best of my knowledge, I do not believe that she even >> knew what voiceover was left alone how to use it until I told her of its >> existence. she is doing great, however now we're to the point where I am >> trying to help her learn the concept of interacting with certain items. at >> this point, she is following behind miserably. I'm not saying that it's her >> fault, it's probably the way that I am presenting it to her. I honestly am >> not sure how else to make this easier. I have tried literally almost every >> analogy underneath the sun. I tried explaining to her that voiceover works >> very hierarchically. to her, that made entirely no sense. she somewhat gets >> the concept when interacting with tables, but that's about as far as it >> goes. even then, I can tell that her concept on the matter is very hazy. I >> told her also to think of a bookshelf with three or four ring binders if she >> wanted to get to the third binder, and then look at the 15th page within >> that binder, she would first have to cross over the first and second binder >> without even looking inside of them. then, once at the third binder, she >> could then open it up, and then flip to the 15th page. I tried explaining to >> her that interacting with items on voiceover is much the same. you have an >> item where your voiceover cursor sits. you can either use voice over >> navigation to pass right over the items, or you can climb a level down and >> see what is underneath that item, by interacting with it. her exact words >> when I said this work: "okay, now you really lost me! " I am pretty much out >> of options. I don't know what else to tell her to try. I am determined to >> help her. However, it seems like until we get past this concept, voiceover >> is going to be very hard for her to use. whether she uses keyboard >> commander, trackpad commander, or for that mind, even quick nap, she's going >> to need to know the concept of what it means to interact. There's just no >> other way around it. she does not have any learning disabilities, so it kind >> of surprises me that all of my other students catch on to this pretty >> quickly, yet she is not. I have asked her specifically to tell me what she >> does not understand about the concept, however she is not able to articulate >> what exactly it is that she does not understand about the concept. I think a >> lot of it too, is the fact that she is barely even practicing. I give her >> certain exercises to try throughout the day, and every time I do, next time >> we get together, I asked her if she practiced, and she very truthfully tells >> me know. I have had absolutely nothing to practice with, even though she is >> fully aware that I gave her an assignment. I do not know how she ever is >> going to learn if she keeps not practicing. I understand her getting >> frustrated, but when I am genuinely trying to help her in any way form or >> shape that I can, I would expect for her to at least have enough respect to >> put forth a bit of effort. I just wonder how much of this is that she really >> doesn't understand, versus how much of it is she really seriously is just >> not trying. I do not want to be rude to her, however when I see that she is >> making no progress at all, and that it's obvious by her admission, that she >> is not practicing, what the hell more am I supposed to do? pardon the >> language, but this is extremely frustrating. what do you all who are also >> trainers do when you have students like this, is simply either one do not >> get the concept of something, or simply click do not try and it's very >> obvious that they are illustrating their lack of effort. this student has >> had her state lend her a MacBook for three weeks. This means she only has >> that amount of time to learn. We are extremely early in the three-week >> process, however, I won't hurt to get the most out of this that she possibly >> can. most of the things that we already have learned, she is also forgetting >> almost constantly. No, I do not expect for her to learn all of these things >> in one night, absolutely not! however, I know that she would be remembering >> way more than she is if she were willing to sit down for at least 15 minutes >> a day in practice. She does not seem to even be given me that much. what >> would be the best thing to do? I do not want to be rude to her, but I also >> need to let her know I'm very certain terms, but I cannot continue this >> training with her, if she is not going to do her part. my responsibility is >> to train and be patient, her responsibility is to practice. maybe I am very >> strict of a teacher, but I know her potential. I know that she can get this. >> She just has to be willing to try. don't get me wrong, I am seeing some >> effort, just not very much. when we stepped a bit out of her comfort zone, >> she refuses to continue. >> >> any advice on how to handle this from a trainer's perspective would be most >> greatly appreciated. I'm completely at a loss as to what else to do. >> >> thanks. >> >> by the way, sorry for all of the typos in this message. 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