Hi Søren, No, I've never had a MacBook larger than 13 inches. And I've never typed more than occasionally on desktop Macs, so I haven't experienced these issues. This sounds like the issues are screen-resolution/size specific. I wonder whether anyone else with the larger Mac laptops can report on their experiences with Safari. I do note that the major reason I've found to delay upgrades between major releases of Mac OS X is usually the new behavior of Safari. Also, the first system versions after a new release may show up more VoiceOver focus issues than previously experienced in mature, stable releases.
Thanks for reporting on your experience. Best, Esther On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: > Hi Esther. > > So you have a Macbook pro 15 inch? Safari works differently with VOiceover on > a 15 inch Macbook. I've experienced things like focusing issues in java > windows, the mouse getting stuck on the desctop while moving it to the > webpage with VO command f5, and clicking by pressing VO shift spacebar and > the other weird issue by bringing up the downloads folder. > I know people who have a macbook 13 inch and an iMac, where this doesn't > happen. > Best regards: > Søren Jensen > Mail & MSN: > s...@coolfortheblind.dk > Website: > http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ > > Den 20/03/2012 kl. 17.35 skrev Esther: > >> Hi Søren, >> >> That's interesting. I'm using a MacBook Air with Lion. When I go to full >> screen mode by pressing command ctrl f in Safari, my toolbar is displayed >> even if I have hidden it. I can check this by navigating to the menu bar >> with either ctrl F2 or VO m, then going to the "View" menu and arrowing >> down. If I check this menu before toggling to full screen mode, the first >> entry shows as "Show Toolbar". And in this mode, with my toolbar hidden, >> when I press ctrl option l there is no downloads window displayed, even >> though VoiceOver says "Show Downloads". If I show my toolbar, either by >> using the "View" menu option or the shortcut for toggling the toolbar >> between show and hide, which is ctrl shift backslash on an English language >> input keyboard, then the downloads window will show up when I press ctrl >> option l. >> >> Similarly, making Safari run in full screen mode by toggling this on with >> command ctrl f will also let my downloads window show up when I press ctrl >> option l. But what happens here is that my toolbar is forcibly shown when >> I'm in full screen mode. If I navigate to the menu bar and check the "View" >> menu while in full screen mode, the first menu entry will show up as "Hide >> Toolbar" and will also be announced as "dimmed", indicating that I can't >> change this. Furthermore, I can test whether the toolbar is present by >> using the shortcut ctrl F5 for navigating to the toolbar. When my toolbar is >> hidden, pressing ctrl F5 will not take me to the toolbar, because it's >> hidden. As previously stated, in this mode I can't see the downloads window >> when I press command option l. If I show my toolbar, and am not in full >> screen mode, then pressing ctrl F5 takes me to the "Back button" of the >> toolbar. Now, even if my toolbar is hidden when I am not in full screen >> mode, once I press command ctrl f, and VoiceOver says "Enter Full Screen", >> it becomes visible. If I press ctrl F5, I'll be taken to the "Back button", >> and I check the "View" menu, "Hide Toolbar" appears as dimmed. And because >> the toolbar is now forcibly shown, even though it was originally hidden when >> not in full screen mode, pressing command option l now shows me my downloads >> folder. >> >> I wonder if the difference in behavior, where I can view the downloads >> folder when the toolbar is not hidden without having to run Safari in full >> screen mode, is another one of those instances of English-specific shortcut >> key mapping? I know that UK users are also able to view the downloads folder >> if their toolbar is not hidden, without having to put Safari into full >> screen mode. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> >> On Mar 20, 2012, at 4:43 AM, Søren Jensen wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> On my Macbook pro 15 inch, I can only bring up the downloads folder if I'm >>> running safari in full screen. If I don't have the full screen activated by >>> pressing command ctrl f, then Voiceover just says something like showing >>> the downoads folder. I have not hidden my toolbar. >>> Best regards: >>> Søren Jensen >>> Mail & MSN: >>> s...@coolfortheblind.dk >>> Website: >>> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/ >>> >>> Den 20/03/2012 kl. 08.24 skrev Esther: >>> >>>> Hi May, >>>> >>>> Command-Option-L to bring up the Safari downloads window only works if you >>>> do not have your toolbar hidden. If your toolbar is hidden, then even >>>> though VoiceOver says "Show Downloads" when you use this shortcut, nothing >>>> is displayed. So you might press Command-Shift-Backslash to toggle your >>>> Safari toolbar to be shown before trying that shortcut. Also, you can >>>> navigate to a "Show Downloads" button in the toolbar and press it with >>>> VO-Space to show your downloads window. I have the vague impression that >>>> when I first upgraded to Lion, I may have had to press that button once, >>>> to later get my downloads window to show. Again, this only works if your >>>> toolbar is not hidden. You can press Command-Option-F to navigate to the >>>> Google Search field, then VO-Right arrow to the "Show Downloads" button, >>>> and press it with VO-Space. >>>> >>>> HTH. Cheers, >>>> >>>> Esther >>>> >>>> On Mar 19, 2012, at 9:08 PM, May McDonald wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hmm, ok when I do that it says show downloads but still nothing. >>>>> Something else I need to do maybe? >>>>> On 2012-03-20, at 2:59 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> wrong command. Its command option L to bring up the downloads window. >>>>>> >>>>>> hth >>>>>> >>>>>> Ricardo Walker >>>>>> rica...@appletothecore.info >>>>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore >>>>>> www.appletothecore.info >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 20, 2012, at 2:58 AM, May McDonald <mcdonald....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Good evening everyone. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can someone please tell me how I go about getting the download window >>>>>>> to pop up like it us to with SL in Lion? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Doing command l then going to the download button is not doing it which >>>>>>> is what silly Apple told me to do. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> May and Prince Noah >>>>>>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
