Hello Jürgen, Great to hear you have your custom keyboard shortcuts working. One of the reasons I like to know how to type the ellipsis character with the Option key combination for my input language keyboard is just so that I can type combinations as well as use the VO-Shift-C shortcut to copy and then later paste the menu options. It's a little tricky to give the ellipsis shortcut combination in general, since it is specific to the input language that is used, and even the country layout (e.g. Swiss German vs. German, Canadian French vs. French, etc.) So I think that for you it is Option+period, but I would type the ellipsis with Option+semi-colon. I also usually paste to a TextEdit window so that I can check the copied menu strings character by character for where spaces are inserted.
I wonder whether the two spaces before the ellipsis character is a small bug in the German language localization coding for Amadeus Pro. You might send a note to: mar...@hairersoft.com I recall that when the 4th generation iPod nano with support for Spoken menus was first released in 2009, there was initially a bug in the German language localization used in iTunes 8, so that when the Nano was synched with iTunes only the checkbox option on the Summary tab were announced by VoiceOver. The options for the other tabs for selecting music and playlists, or podcasts and audiobooks, simply weren't announced. Forcing iTunes to launch with an English localization just so that sync options could be checked worked as a stopgap until they fixed the German language localization for iTunes' VoiceOver performance. (This didn't affect the German language of the Spoken menus or anything else involving iTunes or Nano usage -- it was simply used so that VoiceOver would report the tab contents and let you control what you wanted placed on the device when the Nano was connected for synching.) Hope this gives you access to many more useful custom shortcuts! And thanks for reporting back. Cheers, Esther On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: > Hello Esther, > > thanks to you. You encouraged me to try it again and again. And so I found > out a funny thing: > > When I copy the last spoken phrase of VO to the clipboard by pressing VO + c > the following apears after pasting: > Normalisieren … > This is the german word for normalize. There's the command then two empty > spaces and the the elipsis sign. That doesn't work in the preferences of > keaboard short cuts. > Then I tried > Normalisieren… > That's what you used in your example, also no success. > Then I tried > Normalisieren … > just with one empty space and that worked. Isn't it strange? > > But anyway: I'm happy now to have the way free to define short cuts for all > commands in a menue. :-) > > All the best > Jürgen > > Am 21.02.2012 um 23:12 schrieb Esther: > >> Hello Jürgen, >> >> Make sure that the keyboard shortcut you are assigning does not conflict >> with an existing shortcut definition that applies either to that application >> or system wide on your Mac. One of the reason that I use so many modifier >> keys in the example shortcut, is that you quickly run out of unique >> combinations. That's also why I make new shortcut definitions sparingly, >> and delete the ones that I set up as test cases. >> >> Just out of curiosity, which command did you want to create a shortcut for? >> I'm working with a new installation under Lion, and don't have apps like >> Amadeus Pro loaded yet (this is a MacBook Air with less disk space than I >> had previously), so I can't run tests to answer questions while I'm still >> getting my system configured and transitioned to Lion. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Feb 21, 2012, at 12:01 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: >> >>> Hello Esther, >>> >>> thanks for your efforts. But still strange: I did it point by point as you >>> did and it doesn't work for me and Amadeus Pro. I can add a new created >>> short cut in system preferences and it doesn't apear in the menue of >>> Amadeus Pro and of course it doesn't work as well. >>> >>> I'm not sure why it doesn't work but will investigate that issue. But now I >>> know at least it works at all. >>> >>> Thanks again for your help and >>> all the best >>> Jürgen >>> Am 21.02.2012 um 21:40 schrieb Esther: >>> >>>> Hello Jürgen, >>>> >>>> To create keyboard shortcuts of those menu options which end with an >>>> ellipsis, in Snow Leopard and Lion you navigate to System Preferences > >>>> Keyboard > Keyboard Shortcuts (tab 2 of 2) and select the option from a >>>> table. >>>> >>>> 1. If the menu command is for a specific application, navigate to the >>>> "Shortcuts categories" table and interact, then select "Application >>>> Shortcuts". >>>> 2. Stop interacting and navigate to the "Add an application shortcut" >>>> button and press (VO-Space). >>>> 3. In the dialog window, change the pop up menu button for the application >>>> from "All Applications" to the one that you want (e.g., VO-Space and use >>>> arrow keys and/or type the first letters of the name, like "i t" for >>>> iTunes), and press return. >>>> 4. Then type in the name of the command you want in the text box for "Menu >>>> Title:". For example, I created a shortcut for the "Page Setup…" option >>>> in the File menu of iTunes this way. (It's something that I'd never want >>>> to use, and I'm going to get rid of it right away, but it shows this >>>> method works). I typed in "Page Setup…" using the Option+semi-colon >>>> shortcut to type the ellipsis at the end of "Setup". >>>> 5. Then I typed in a keyboard shortcut, Shift-Control-Option-Command-P, >>>> and pressed the "Add" button. >>>> 6. I closed the Keyboard window with Command-W. >>>> >>>> Sure enough, if I'm in the iTunes app, pressing this combination brings up >>>> the Page Setup window. However, I immediately went back to the page to >>>> delete this shortcut, since I'm never going to use it and just tried this >>>> out to make sure I could assign a shortcut this way. If the menu option >>>> only appears for a specific application, then you have to select that >>>> application before trying to assign the shortcut. I believe there are >>>> "Page Setup…" menu options for other applications, but you'll have to set >>>> up your shortcut again for those applications. >>>> >>>> HTH. Cheers, >>>> >>>> Esther >>>> >>>> On Feb 21, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Jürgen Fleger wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hallo Esther, >>>>> >>>>> Am 13.02.2012 um 16:19 schrieb Esther: >>>>> >>>>>> The ellipsis character is typed using a keyboard shortcut with the >>>>>> Option key. On a US or other English language input keyboard, this >>>>>> combination can be typed by pressing Option+semi-colon. Assuming that >>>>>> you are using a German input language keyboard, this combination can be >>>>>> typed by pressing Option+period. >>>>>> >>>>> Thanks for this. >>>>> >>>>>> However, a more general way to get the exact menu command you need for a >>>>>> keyboard shortcut is to use VO-Shift-C, which is the VoiceOver shortcut >>>>>> to copy the last spoken phrase to the clipboard. Then paste in this >>>>>> phrase with Command-V. I usually paste into a TextEdit window as an >>>>>> intermediate >>>>> >>>>> That's what I also do but in that special case it doesn't work. Of course >>>>> it works to copy the phrase to the clipboard so that I can paste it. But >>>>> what doesn't work is to create a functioning short cut when a menue >>>>> command has an elipsis. The chosen short cut apears in the system >>>>> preferences but not in the menue of the program. >>>>> >>>>> Do you have an idea how to solve that issue? Or is it just not possible >>>>> to create short cuts for menue commands with elipsisses? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks and all the best >>>>> Jürgen >>>>> >>>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
