Ricardo wrote, > For example, you can't use a keyboard to delete applications or bring up the > item chooser.
The first part is true, but the second is not. VO-I will bring up the item chooser like it does on the Mac, unless this is a feature specific to iPhones. I'm asking accessibil...@apple.com to make VO-shift-M perform the same actions as the double tap and hold, which would allow for deleting apps via the keyboard. No idea if this is possible, but I think this short cut makes sense given what double tap and hold does in IOS and what VO-shift-M does on the Mac. Cheers, Marc On 2011-10-26, at 7:30 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > Hi, > > no. You can't access all features that you could by using gestures on the > touch screen but, most of them. For example, you can't use a keyboard to > delete applications or bring up the item chooser. > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Oct 26, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: > >> Gigi, >> >> Where can I get a keyboard? >> Will I be able to use all the features of my iPod with a keyboard? >> >> On 26/10/2011, Eugenia Firth <gigifi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>> Hi again. >>> Let me see if I can clear this up. First, many of us, maybe most of us, >>> learned to touch type early in life. Myself, I learned in the fourth grade. >>> The keyboard on the iPhone and other devices like that is arranged like a >>> typewriter, so when my blind friend told me the arrangement was exactly like >>> the old typewriters, I was clued in right away. It seems that most blind >>> people prefer to use touch typing. There's another option on the iPhone or >>> iPad, etc.where you can use standard typing which requires split or double >>> tapping to make the keys respond. But touch typing involves going around the >>> screen and the phone says what key you landed on, and you pick up your >>> finger. Now, after a little practice, you can get pretty accurate at landing >>> on the key you need without hearing each one. It is faster for me to use a >>> keyboard that I just got, but I can input with the onscreen keyboard if need >>> be. I hope this explanation helps. >>> >>> You may want to get a keyboard so that you can more easily do your typing on >>> the iPhone, iPad, etc. If that's not possible, you might want to set your >>> device on touch typing. To do that, you check your roter first. The roter is >>> a way to make choices on the device. Take two fingers and twist your hand >>> either to the left or right like you are dialing an old-time phone or >>> turning an old radio dial. Don;'t do it very far, and do it a little slowly >>> so that VoiceOver has a chance to say what you are landing on. When you hear >>> it say typing, then you can take one finger toward the bottom of the screen >>> and flick it I think toward the top of the screen. If doesn't work, go the >>> other way. When it says touch typing, then you have set the device so that >>> you can make letters by touching them and then picking up your finger. >>> VoiceOver will say the letter in a different voice when it accepts the >>> letter. >>> >>> It takes a little practice to do the roter, but it's worth it so that you >>> don't have to go to settings all the time. If you can't do the roter, >>> however, you can go to VoiceOver settings and set the roter to do touch >>> typing from there. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Gigi >>> >>> On Oct 26, 2011, at 6:47 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Thank you for your tips and encouragement. >>>> I always read great things about these Apple devices on the Internet >>>> and get encouraged, but I really get frustrated when they don't work >>>> properly for me. >>>> BTW, I have a question. >>>> How do you people manage to find out which alphabet is which on a >>>> touchscreen? >>>> You can easily locate all the keys on a normal keyboard after a bit of >>>> practice, but how can you do that on a device which has a touchscreen? >>>> >>>> On 25/10/2011, Gigi <gigifi...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>> Hi guys. >>>>> I would also like to add to what Teresa said about devices like the iPad >>>>> and the iPhone. I also use split tapping. Split tapping is when your >>>>> finger >>>>> is on an item you would like to select. Just take one of your other >>>>> fingers, >>>>> and lay it on the screen without moving the one you are using to go >>>>> around >>>>> the screen. Even if you don't use this command, it's good to know about >>>>> this >>>>> command because there are times you might accidentally make a choice you >>>>> didn't intend and you will know that's what you did. Also, sometimes it's >>>>> good to make a choice without moving your finger. I use split tapping all >>>>> the time, and I also use the ones Teresa mentioned. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Gigi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 8:42 PM, Teresa Cochran <vegaspipistre...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Rahul, >>>>>> >>>>>> You can start with your home screen. You can explore it by moving one >>>>>> finger around on the screen. As you move, VO tells you which items are >>>>>> under your finger. Along the bottom of the screen are 4 applications. >>>>>> The >>>>>> home screen has different "pages", but the four things at the bottom of >>>>>> the screen in the dock area are always there. Next, you can try swiping >>>>>> a >>>>>> finger to the right. This will take you to the next item, and swiping >>>>>> left >>>>>> will take you to the previous item. >>>>>> >>>>>> to open an application, you can find it and double-tap on it. I'm fairly >>>>>> sure that if you find Safari on the bottom dock area and double-tap it, >>>>>> you'll land on the page for the manual. In any document, such as a web >>>>>> page, you can swipe down with two fingers from near the top and it will >>>>>> read continuously. Tap once with two fingers to pause and restart it. >>>>>> >>>>>> This will get you started. Once you're more comfortable navigating, you >>>>>> can explore the gesture practice in the VO settings. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTH, >>>>>> Teresa >>>>>> "Visualize whirled peas." >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 24, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Rahul Bajaj wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have a 4th generation iPod Touch, but I am not being able to use it >>>>>>> with VoiceOver. >>>>>>> VO reads everything that's given on the screen, but I really don't >>>>>>> know how to move forward. >>>>>>> I have never used a device with a touchscreen before, so that could be >>>>>>> the reason for the problem I'm facing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, can anyone here give some tips that might be useful? >>>>>>> I really want to be able to use my iPod Touch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Rahul >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups >>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. 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