Christine, I'm not sure about your strange character and number issue, but to comment on the frustration you are experiencing with knowing where you are while editing text, it is an initial learning problem for those of us who come over from windows. I struggled with it for a long time.
I will try to help. First of all, you have to bear in mind in which direction you are moving your cursor. If the Voiceover has spoken a letter or a word, it usually means that the cursor has passed over it. So, if you are moving your right cursor letter by letter to the right, once you hear the letter it means that your cursor is to the right of it and then you can confidently press backspace to delete it. If you are moving your cursor to the left, once you hear the letter spoken, the cursor is to the left of the letter jsut spoken. The backspace key removes the letters and items backwards so to speak. I have never worked out wehtehr on a mac computer you can delete elements forwards. The same principle applies when moving through your text word by word using option key plus arrow keys. If your are using your right arrow key with option key, and you hear voiceover speak the word, you have passed it and your cursor is to the right of it. Then pressing backspace with option+shift keys will delete the word. This movement of the cursor is actually how sighted people do it so it is difficult for those of us who come from Jaws where the cursor movement is modified by the screen reader. The documents in which you get strange characters, have they been created by you in textedit, or are you opening a different format of a document, let's say MS word documents in textedit? Hope this helps, Christine. BEst wishes Simon On 20 Mar 2011, at 22:45, Christine Grassman wrote: > No, I am positive I'm not hitting the backslash -- it isn't happening ever in > Apple Mail, only in Text Edit files. I guess this is one for my One to One > next Saturday. It is horribly frustrating. What *is* the purpose of the > ruler, btw? > Christine > On Mar 20, 2011, at 4:18 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hi Christine: >> Forgive me for being simplistic. But, is it possible when typing that >> you're hitting backslash when you're hitting enter. They're close one above >> the other, and perhaps a fingernail is clipping the backslash. As far as >> the numbers, I think there is a ruler that you can enable or disable, which >> might account for the numbers. But, I think it would be telling you "ruler" >> if it were. Beyond that, I'm stumped. Hope maybe this helps a little. >> >> Take care >> >> Carolyn >> >> On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: >> >>> I'm not converting anything, merely writing a document and saving it as an >>> rtf file. When I go back into it, there's garbage at the top and >>> backslashes wherever I put in a "new line". >>> When I have converted Word files in rtf, then gone in to read/review them, >>> there has been no such problem. >>> Christine >>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 1:26 PM, Scott Howell wrote: >>> >>>> Christine, >>>> >>>> Editing on a Mac using VoiceOver is different than using Windows and a >>>> windows screen reader. Some may explain it more effectively; however, has >>>> to do with how the cursor behaves. Not sure about the characters in the >>>> document, but sounds like a conversion problem. >>>> >>>> Scott Howell >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Mar 20, 2011, at 9:50, Christine Grassman <cgrassman1...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, everyone. I am rather frustrated with Text Edit.n Whenever I >>>>> review something I've written (after saving,) there is always a whole lot >>>>> of numbers letters, and symbols at the top of the file. Also, whenever I >>>>> enter a "new line" there appears a backslash. What is going on? Does >>>>> this get sent with the file if I attach it to an e-mail? Thus far, the >>>>> only thing I've been able to do is erase all the symbols at the top, then >>>>> edit the file for backslashes. >>>>> A somewhat related question: is there a way, simply by using the keys and >>>>> without switching from words to characters and vice bersa, to move to >>>>> characters -- I can read by character, but although cursor tracking is >>>>> on, I always seem to be at the beginning or end of a word, rather than on >>>>> the character being read. >>>>> Additionally, sometimes when VO says a particular word, I am at the end, >>>>> and other times I am at the beginning. This makes editing frustrating. >>>>> How can I tell where I am? 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