given the lifespan of some of my family members, My great Grandfather would 
have been just an idea in my great great grandfather's marriage. <smile>

I really wish I had a Lincoln in my family line. I do have some interesting 
characters from the mid to late 1500's on my mom's side though.

-Eric

On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

> actually, I believe that that quote originally came from your grandfather,
> Abraham Lincoln. (SMILE)!
> Andy
> 
> 
> 
> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer."
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Oyen
> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 6:59 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for Apple
> 
> I have used course language myself at times. The problem remains though, we
> are singling out others in our own community for being too abrasive when
> they are mild by comparison to some sighties.
> 
> now I realize that the mods here have specific rules and ethics to which the
> adhere. We need to trust them to do their jobs. it is not up to us to tell
> them how.  The problem I see here is that someone will be offended no matter
> what we say or do.  My great Grandfather summed up nicely: "you can please
> some of the people some of the time. you can please all of the people some
> of the time. BUT, you cannot please all of the people all of the time". It
> sounds cliche I know, but, it is often true.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:
> 
>> Oh! God!  Please give me strength.  Are people really saying that the 
>> blind are the only segment of society that uses raw language?  my 
>> grandfather was a construction worker, and not blind, and often used 
>> language that would make one blush.  This reminds me of gatherings of 
>> adult blind people where alcohol was not served for fear of the poor 
>> blind people getting drunk, and doing, God knows what.
>> 
>> Andy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "I'm pretty good at drinkin beer."
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Mines
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 10:44 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: bad language was Re: =What the Verizon phone means for 
>> Apple
>> 
>> You areIn a hello,I don't normally comment on things on this list. 
>> However I am compelled to comment on this. Let's face it folks the 
>> other 75% unemployment rate in the United States. Bad language scares 
>> potential employers period so that is not mistaken that there is no 
>> possibility of misinterpretation as the list moderator has said we 
>> don't know who's reading this. Let me also tell you that lists like 
>> this are archived in many different places. When you go to look for 
>> employment employers look at this list if there's bad language you can 
>> cost people jobs and that only 30% of blind Americans working in this 
>> country I implore you to please do not use inappropriate and 
>> nonprofessional language. Because it will cost somebody a job and I 
>> don't think that the participants and listless want to be having 
>> somebody on SSI SSP I and other government support programs for the 
>> rest of their lives simply because somebody doesn't know how to treat 
>> people with common respect and refrain from inappropriate language. In 
>> short I agree with the moderator, let's knock it off. To say that this 
>> thread disturbs me in many different ways, would be an understatement. 
>> Let's move on. I'm not a moderator, but if we're interested in all 
>> getting out there, and getting meaningful positions of employment for 
>> those of us were not working, using the target language is imperative. 
>> Thank you very much for reading this. PS, I am using dictation 
>> software. As my tagline says some words they actually come out and
> appropriately. However I think that you can get the inference of what I am
> saying. I will not comment any further on this subject.
>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> What's reasonable, who's definition of language?
>>> 
>>> Why does your definition superseed mine?  Why do prudes always want
>> reasonable when their beliefs aren't and use some sort of artificial 
>> moral high ground to brow beat others in to submission?
>>> 
>>> What if I objected to the word piano because I had a bad Piano 
>>> experience
>> as a child and expected you to be reasonable and not use the word 
>> piano?  If this is acceptable then where does that logic end?
>>> 
>>> At no time did anyone post anything that violated the FCC rules for 
>>> over
>> the air transmition.  Even though I think the FCC is a bunch of stufed 
>> suits that seems like a fairly reasonable template and anyone who 
>> objects to content that fits with in that template is an old fuddy 
>> duddy of the highest order.
>>> 
>>> Heh
>>> 
>>> Here's a brilliant idea with a lot of historical backing.  Instead of
>> silencing someone which is a very common practice in the blind 
>> community lists especially why not use that delete key that's located 
>> in the upper right of your keyboard?  Nobody loses in that situation.  
>> You don't get your pretty little sensibilities hurt and nobody loses 
>> their right to express themselves.  Live and let live, turn the other
> cheek, all that mumbo jumbo.
>>> 
>>> Good times!
>>> 
>>> On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Marlaina Lieberg wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I hope the moderators will follow through and move to read-only 
>>>> status
>> those persons who continue to disregard the very reasonable requests 
>> regarding language.
>>>> 
>>>> Marlaina, a very happy A T & T customer who has never been treated 
>>>> with
>> anything but respect and professionalism by A T & T.
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>> maurice amateur radio call sign,kd0iko.
>> national Federation of the blind of Cole Rondo assisted newsline 
>> coordinator, office phone 970.
>> 373-3076 Northern Colorado amateur radio club tried Vander, newsletter 
>> editor. University of Northern Colorado student e-mail address , 
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